Friday, October 22, 2004 - 2:45 PM
Military aides on the National Security Council prepared a confidential briefing for Ms. Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, that examined what previous nation-building efforts had required. The review, called "Force Security in Seven Recent Stability Operations," noted that no single rule of thumb applied in every case. But it underscored a basic principle well known to military planners: However many forces might be required to defeat the foe, maintaining security afterward was determined by an entirely different set of calculations, including the population, the scope of the terrain and the necessary tasks. If the United States and its allies wanted to maintain the same ratio of peacekeepers to population as it had in Kosovo, the briefing said, they would have to station 480,000 troops in Iraq. If Bosnia was used as benchmark, 364,000 troops would be needed. If Afghanistan served as the model, only 13,900 would be needed in Iraq. The higher numbers were consistent with projections later provided to Congress by Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, then the Army chief of staff, that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in Iraq. But Mr. Rumsfeld dismissed that estimate as off the mark. More forces generally are required to control countries with large urban populations. The briefing pointed out that three-quarters of Iraq's population lived in urban areas. In Bosnia and Kosovo, city dwellers made up half of the population. In Afghanistan, it was only 18 percent. Neither the Defense Department nor the White House, however, saw the Balkans as a model to be emulated. In a Feb. 14, 2003, speech titled "Beyond Nation Building," which Mr. Rumsfeld delivered in New York, he said the large number of foreign peacekeepers in Kosovo had led to a "culture of dependence" that discouraged local inhabitants from taking responsibility for themselves. The defense secretary said he thought that there was much to be learned from Afghanistan, where the United States did not install a nationwide security force but relied instead on a new Afghan Army and troops from other countries to help keep the peace. James F. Dobbins, who was the administration's special envoy for Afghanistan and had also served as the ambassador at large for Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia and Haiti, thought that the administration was focusing on the wrong model. The former Yugoslavia - with its ethnic divisions, hobbled economy and history of totalitarian rule - had more parallels with Iraq than administration officials appeared willing to accept, Mr. Dobbins believed. It was Afghanistan that was the anomaly. "They preferred to find a model for successful nation building that was not associated with the previous administration," Mr. Dobbins said in an interview. "And Afghanistan offered a much more congenial answer in terms of what would be required in terms of inputs, including troops."
Maybe, maybe someone could give administration officials a pass in making that assumption. But once they realized that the Afghanistan analogy wasn't working, they never questioned their assumptions:
General Franks's talk of being prepared to take risks alarmed General Garner, the civil administrator. Fearing that an early troop reduction threatened the mission of building a new Iraq, General Garner took his concerns to Lt. Gen. David McKiernan, the chief allied land commander. "There was no doubt we would win the war," General Garner recalled telling General McKiernan, "but there can be doubt we will win the peace." Soon after, the Pentagon began turning off the spigot of troops flowing to Iraq. Mr. Rumsfeld had started to question whether the military still needed the Army's First Cavalry Division, a 17,500-member force that was slated to follow the lead invasion force into Iraq. He and General Franks discussed the issue repeatedly. "Rumsfeld just ground Franks down," said Mr. White, the former Army secretary who was fired after policy disputes with Mr. Rumsfeld. "If you grind away at the military guys long enough, they will finally say, 'Screw it, I'll do the best I can with what I have.' The nature of Rumsfeld is that you just get tired of arguing with him." General Franks insisted that he had not faced pressure on the First Cavalry issue. "It was Rumsfeld's idea," he said, referring to the cancellation of the deployment. "Rumsfeld did not beat me into submission. Initially, I did not want to truncate the force flow, but as it looked like we were likely to get greater international participation, I concluded that it was O.K. to stop the flow." General Franks also said he accepted the suggestion only after his field commanders agreed that the division was not needed. But a former staff officer to General McKiernan said the land war commander had wanted the unit to be deployed and was disappointed that he had to do without the additional division. The deployment of the division was canceled on April 21.... According to United States officials, Mr. Bremer raised the troop issue in a June 18 video conference with Mr. Bush. Mr. Bremer said the United States needed to be careful not to go too far in taking out troops. The president said the plan was now to rotate forces, not withdraw them, and agreed that Washington needed to maintain adequate force levels. Still the American forces shrank, from a high of about 150,000 in July 2003 to some 108,000 in February 2004, before going up again when violence sharply increased early this year. Some of the troop declines were offset by the arrival of the Polish-led division in August 2003. (emphasis added)
One other thing -- reading the Gordon article, what's stunning is that the administration never solved this dilemma:
Rumsfeld, and the rest of the Bush administration's foreign policy team, face a clear choice. It can outsource peacekeeping functions to the United Nations or close allies, at the cost of some constraints on foreign policy implementation. It can minimize the U.N. role and develop/train its own peacekeeping force. Or it can do neither and run into trouble down the road.
No, it's back to thinking. In my original post on this topic, I said that, "I prefer a leader who has a good decision-making process, even if his foreign policy instincts are skewed in a direction I don't like, over a leader who has a bad decision-making process, even if his foreign policy instincts are skewed in a direction I do like." I meant two things by this:
1) John Kerry is more likely to recognize during the decision-making process that his instincts might be wrong -- and therefore change tacks before making a catastrophic mistake; 2) Whatever Kerry's policy, the decision-making process and the implementation of those decisions would lead to a greater probability of success.
Some commenters have argued that a second Bush term would be different. However, ironically enough, the failure of Bush to reshuffle his team requires me to take this assertion.... on faith. And I can't do that. I still have doubts about Kerry. Massive, Herculean doubts. His plan to internationalize the Iraq conflict is a pipe dream. However, here's the one thing I am confident about -- a Kerry administration is likely to recognize, once the multilateral diplomacy fails, that it will actually have to come up with a viable alternative. UPDATE: Kevin Drum has some persuasive points on this topic. Like Laura McKenna, I'm not at all happy about my choice (And if the Kerry campaign is stupid enough to let Theresa continue to speak to the press, there's an off-chance that in a fit of pique I'll vote to deny her the opportunity to be First Lady.) But in the end, I can't vote for a president who doesn't believe that what he believes might, just might, be wrong. To quote David Adesnik, "As a professional researcher, I think I simply find it almost impossible to trust someone whose thought process is apparently so different from my own."
Well, you certainly made the Mullhas in Iran, Hezboullah, Bin-Laden group, and Yasser Arafat very happy. Congradualtions!!! Oh ! one more person that you made happy is
Malaysia's former prime minister who has urged Muslims in America to vote for US Senator John Kerry in the Nov 2 presidential election, saying President George W. Bush has been 'the cause of the tragedies' across the Muslim world. 'Vote Bush out of office,' Dr Mahathir Mohamad said in an open letter dated Oct 15 to America's Muslim community. 'It is truly an ibadah (act of devotional worship) that you perform.'
So, Mr. Drezner you had trully perfromed the "ibadah". Great!
A Middle Eastern Woman for Bush
Congratulations, Dan. The key word is the business world these days is "accountability." In Bush, we have a leader who has consistently made bad decisions and has not reassessed those decisions as the failures became apparent. In 2000, Bush promised to bring a CEO's mentality and accountability to the presidency. The obvious turth is that a CEO with Bush's record would either have been fired by his Board or faced a shareholder revolt long ago. In politics, we only get a chance to hold the president accountable once every four years... to fail to do so now would be unconscionable. You may not be thrilled with Kerry... but at least a Bush loss will send a clear message to the Republican party that they need to do better than this.
Your quote by David Adesnik sums up all of your analysis quite neatly. Me, I'm a whitebread county club kid, morphed into a business manager. I'm voting for Bush for the same reason your voting for Kerry.
I see Kerry's worldview further along the development ladder than those of Bush. How do we develop as a people to a worldview greater than that of Bush or Kerry?
How can we utilize the strengths of each worldview, and minimize the weakness of each worldview?
We have a clash of worldviews in this country and an even greater one in the world. It isn't going to be an easy decade.
"However, here's the one thing I am confident about -- a Kerry administration is likely to recognize, once the multilateral diplomacy fails, that it will actually have to come up with a viable alternative."
What leads you to that conclusion? The Clinton team's answer was to walk away and ignore the problems when diplomacy failed. What evidence in the world is there that Kerry wont pull the troops out ASAP and bury the 'stick' in the backyard? That would be precisely what his record would indicate.
Speaking of accountability, why doesnt anyone want to hold Kerry accountable for a lifetime of being a kneejerk peacenick? Particularly 20 years in the senate with a trackrecord of appeasement broken only occasionally by political expediency? I dont know what's scarier, a dove in the white house, or a dove in the white house who might decide to act tough based on poll numbers. Carter or LBJ? Either way Kerry is a danger.
My principled view is kekekekekeke exclamation point exclamation point one one one one.
Sorry. Just channeling my inner hatred for the 2004 election there.
Vote Badnarik- at least he knows he's crazy. I sure did.
Well, Drezner, I certainly hope you're right. However, I still maintain that whoever wins the election, the American people will lose.
Drezner: P=1
Dan Drezner has finally made up his mind: He's voting Kerry. Everyone should read his reasoning, too, because it gets at the heart of something that I've argued more than a few times: Any agreement you may have with the...
I had believed that this was serious until I read
>And if the Kerry campaign is stupid enough to let Theresa continue to speak to the press, there's an off-chance that in a fit of pique I'll vote to deny her the opportunity to be First Lady.
That is more egregious than, for example, the photo-ops involving the faux rancher Bush himself on his Disneyland-like ranch in Crawford? You must be joking.
Praise the lord, and here's a log for that fire.
Thank you, Dan.
Basically, that's what it comes down to. I'm no Kerry enthusiast, but this country, for a myriad of reasons, cannot afford another Bush term (note: I am not saying another Republican term, I am saying another Bush term). In my view, everyone who votes for Kerry is helping me and my friends and family, and thousands of people I'll never meet, by putting Bush and his ilk out of power. Perhaps this will give the Republican party a chance to re-grasp some of what I've voted for in the past: fiscal responsibility, states rights, personal responsibility.
So, thank you.
I stopped reading Adesnik after this post in March. http://oxblog.blogspot.com/2004_03_21_oxblog_archive.html#108010533288292764
His opinion and analysis are worthless to me and I will certainly make sure EVERY ONE of my fellow soldiers knows his position and true character for future reference as he is positioning himself to be a future Assistant Secretary of Defense.
That you quote him diminishes you significantly in my eyes. You may not care. Fine.
The guys at OxBlog (Chafetz has shown himself to be someone with problems seeing reality) have shown themselves to be typical snot nosed elites who haven't done anything yet but go to school.
This country cannot afford four years of Kerry. Dems are deluding themselves into thinking he will bring back the Clinton years. Whatever mistakes you think Bush has made, I greatly fear the mistakes that a wavering Kerry will make.
But in the end, I can't vote for a president who doesn't believe that what he believes might, just might, be wrong.
Absurd, and here's the proof, twofold:
1- I don't recall your ever having called for JOhn Kerry toa dmit HE was wrong. OOf course, given he's nothing approaching a rocrd of taking strong stands unless it was America he was taking a stand against, I suppsoe you've got nothging to go for on that side of the ball.
2- You're asking people to vote for someone who doesn't really believe in what he's doing. If you don't beleive in what you're doing, how effective will you be?
Sorry, Dan, looks from here your logic is wanting. Else, you made the choice months ago, and, Sullivan- like, have been stringing this along and this is your effort to justify your choice.
It doesn't justify it, it argues against it.
I see no evidence for either the proposition that Kerry would recognize a mistake in the decion-making process, or implement decisions in a way yielding a greater probability of success. Both are statements of faith.
Kerry and most of the post-Vietnam Democratic foreign policy establishment were grotesquely wrong about the handling of the Soviet Union during the 1980s. Even in the cold light of what we now know, they have not reassessed their views or acknowledged their errors.
On implementation, we have only the examples of Bosnia and Kosovo, and it's hard to argue that either was or is a smoothly running machine. Indeed, in their own way they've been as messy as the operation in Iraq. The main difference is that we minimized our own casualties, though not those of the civilian populations.
> I'm voting for Kerry.
Someday, your children will thank you.
Daniel Drezner wrote:
So I'm voting for Kerry.
Right, like we all didn’t know that months ago.
Did you really think anyone bought this “oh, I’m struggling with this decision” line of BS when it was pretty obvious in how you weighted the issues and used inconsistent arguments that you were planning on going for Kerry all along?
Color us unsurprised.
> The Clinton team's answer was to walk away and
> ignore the problems when diplomacy failed.
>
> Posted by Mark Buehner at October 22, 2004
> 12:58 PM
Prediction: If Bush wins, in four years, his supporters will still be blaming everything on Clinton.
Dan, congratulations on making the right decision.
Little nitpick: This post would have been a great lead-in to the "Tom Friedman, over here!" post. The other way round it was a bit odd.
And a prediction: More and more people are coming to realize Bush's grave mistakes. But thanks to the incompetence of the media, not enough people may actually get it by Election Day. But that doesn't mean the trend won't continue past Election Day, especially once the anti-Kerry spin machine stops churning out distractions.
Consequently, Bush may still squeak by and win re-election, but in that case (I'd give that a 50-50 chance right now), he will have record low approval levels right after the election and probably throughout his second term. Which could lead to all sorts of interesting and unexpected outcomes (e.g. a Democratic sweep of the House and Senate in 2006).
fortunately, you're not in a swing state.
I can't completely argue with those who remain concerned with Kerry. Keep in mind two points, though:
1) GOP will remain in control of Congress. This is true even
if they lose majority status in the Senate, since as we've
seen the minority in the Senate has a lot of power. This is
key since it will sharply constrain Kerry. Some of the worst
things Bush supporters here seem to fear about Kerry are
just unlikely in this scenario. This is particularly true if
Kerry doesn't correct any mistakes in his first two years,
since the midterm elections would then go sharply against
him.
2) A Bush loss gives the GOP a chance to regroup, without
Bush's baggage. If Kerry does poorly in the next four
years (and from 1) above I don't think he will be allowed to
make dramatic mistakes), then he will be replaced.
Dan's choice (which I agree with) is about minimizing
problems the next four years. It's not that either man
is a "good" choice, just that Bush has made too many
bad decisions along the way and has shown *no*
inclination to either learn from or fix them, whereas
Kerry is less likely to screw up as badly.
Despite the fact that I agree with your eventual decision... unless you exercise mind control over a hive-like collective of 10,000 voters in Florida, Ohio, or Wisconsin, it's been a lot of sound and fury.
You a man who has proven to have strength and character. If everyone would just take the time to find out the differences... I can only imagine how many more Bush supporters would change their minds. Be a Republican, that's fine. But this time vote Democrat b/c Bush has disgraced the Republican party and put our beloved country in jeopardy.
Bithead wrote:
Sorry, Dan, looks from here your logic is wanting. Else, you made the choice months ago, and, Sullivan- like, have been stringing this along and this is your effort to justify your choice.
Was there any doubt that he made this decision months ago?
The other logical conclusion is that all of the other posts that Daniel Drezner made about the vilification of outsourcing, trade protectionism, and his purported concern over federal spending were simply a smokescreen to give him credibility when he officially announced his decision to vote for a candidate who was objectively worse on each.
"Well, Drezner, I certainly hope you're right. However, I still maintain that whoever wins the election, the American people will lose."
I'd be remiss if I didn't STRONGLY agree. I'm voting for Kerry, but my money's on Bush to win a second term. That's another reason I don't understand why everyone's slamming Danny over his endorsement. The Dems can't get their bloody act together, and they can only pray that Republican hegemony won't be running rampant come January (This is of course assuming the courts are done with their piece).
"Whatever Kerry's policy, the decision-making process and the implementation of those decisions would lead to a greater probability of success."
What a...wonkesque view of the world. Just out of curiosity, can you point to an example of a wrong policy competently pursued leading to a good outcome? It would be nice if your example could be of something Kerry has done, but I'd settle for anything, because I'm genuinely baffled at how, say, efficiently cutting and running in Iraq would be a success if the policy of cut and run would be a distaster....unless you don't really mean "whatever Kerry's policy."
Add my "Yay, Dan!" to the chorus, if only to help counter Thorley Winston's ugly grumbling. (Go back to Tacitus, Thorley, where people with center-left opinions can simply be cut from the blog, like Trickster was. Rara temporum felicitate, ubi sentire quae velis, et quae sentias, dicere licet. Indeed. Maybe the blog will be renamed "Augustus," to match the statue?)
This election hasn't even been a hard choice, for anyone who's been paying attention to the facts. Kerry's no genius, but the utter failure of Bush to succeed at ANYTHING he's tried (with the possible exception of re-election?) has been amazing.
Which makes this election a test of the power of ideology, pure and simple. If Bush can win a second term after the past four years, then the republic is in serious, serious trouble. (See the evidence that Bush's typical supporters are clueless as to his actual positions.)
Whether or not Dan's vote makes any difference electorally, its moral importance is very real. Congratulations to Prof. Drezner for letting the facts influence his vote. It's a rare quality these days.
Hey Frieda, eat shit and die.
I don't believe that Kerry gets Drezners vote because of Bush's decisionmaking process, that makes no sense. First, most reports are hearsay from disgruntled insiders. Second, Bush has reversed courses on lots of issues, usually after lots of debate within the WH. Going to the UN before into Iraq, stem cells, control on the ground shifting from DOD to State, etc.
Also, decisionmaking process only is meaningful in that it allows voters to know the likely decisions to be made. Kerry has made horrible decisions as Senator, and very nearly ruined his campaign by his own horribly indecisive decisionmaking process. His decisions are simply calculated to be the most low-risk possible to reach his desired end. The Vietnam candidate, chasing Howard Dean, choosing John Edwards.
In the WoT, I question the judgment of anybody who thinks a indecisive crwod pleasing decisionmaking process is superior to a stick-by-your guns attitude, while altering tacitcs behind the scenes.
Because the decisonmaking rationale is so unconvincing, I'll guess at hidden motives. Gay marriage doesn't seem to be a big issue for Drezner, so there is no Sullivan effect. Perhaps Drezner has changed his mind and thinks that the war is a bad idea and its easier to blame Bush for the result rather than admit perhaps it was the inevitable result of any action in Iraq. I think thats whats going on with a lot of former hawks going soft. We are still in a pretty good spot considering all the risks going in. The second reason for the Kerry vote I'm guessing is that liberal pals are having the drip effect appealling to the security that comes with agreeing with the consensus among social peers, much like what happens on the SC with subpar justices.
Ah well, still Volokh and Reynolds are on the right side, and I'd much rather have those two on my side than Drezner and Sully.
Of course you realize, Dr. Drezner, that the amount of time and mental energy you put into this decisions was not rational -- heck, is Ill. even close?
The real question is Obama or Keyes.
God bless you Dan.
Thorley Winston: Right, like we all didn’t know that months ago.
Yeah, I wasn't particularly convinced by the whole act either. Kinda felt like he wanted to create the impression that it took a long time for him to be convinced when it really didn't.
Probably the first time I've agreed with you on anything. :)
"[A] Kerry administration is likely to recognize, once the multilateral diplomacy fails, that it will actually have to come up with a viable alternative."
I put Kerry's plan to internationalize the occupation in the same category as Clinton's middle class tax cut in 1992, i.e., they both know it's baloney, but it sounds good. If Kerry is elected, expect a speech in the early spring saying "I tried, but I couldn't get the allies on board, so we need to do x." What x is I have no idea. (And if Kerry really wants to be mean, he can blame W for his inability to bring more countries on board.)
If Kerry honestly believes he can get significant international support, then we're in a whole heap of trouble.
I don't believe that Kerry gets Drezners vote because of Bush's decisionmaking process, that makes no sense. First, most reports are hearsay from disgruntled insiders.
Whom else would you expect to learn the truth from? Gruntled insiders? How do you think these folks became disgruntled in the first place? With such analytical skills, Reg, you're ready for a job with the Office of Special Plans. Give my love to Doug!
There are plenty of reasons not to vote for Bush.
But pointing to Kerry's foreign policy and say he can't do any worse is questionable.
Dan accurately points out that Kerry is operating from an antiquated concept of multilateralism. However pointing to Kerry's concepts of viable alternatives we have: Promotion of human rights and labor unions! Labor unions to fight terror is certainly a radical concept. How Drum can mention this a serious idea instead of a pander to unions is a bit farfetched.
I will be interested to see if Kerry has the US Military leave Saudi Arabia as Biden threatened. I thought that the US military out of Saudi Arabia was a key objective of AQ and Kerry would accomplish that as a way of fighting the war on Terror?
I have enjoyed your reflective comments on the situations. I will say your frank discussions on foreign policy have made me consider voting for Bush more than anything else. I believe Bush's domestic policy will prevent me from voting for Bush but compared to Kerry's foreign policy, Bush is a much better alternative. And I never really wanted to invade Iraq in the first place.
But there is nothing in Kerry's distant past or recent history to suggest to me that he'll ever make a tough decision to fight terror.
I'd bet those proportional numbers for troops required in Iraq would still undershoot the mark.
In Kosovo, 90% of the population viewed, initially and for a long time after, the NATO forces as adjuncts in their liberation from Serbs. The vast bulk of the population had a feeling of goodwill towards the occupiers.
In Bosnia, things had pretty much worked themselves to a stalemate even before the NATO bombings of Serb positions around Sarajevo. There was no way the Serbs could take, or really even wanted to take the City. The held the bits of land most important to them and consolidated their hold. The Muslims and Croats were also fairly satisfied with their position for the short to midterm. Populations were ethnically concentrated, thus ensuring solid support for nationalist parties (think of it as gerrymandering, but you move the people rather than the constituency lines).
In short, in Kosovo and Bosnia, the occupiers ratified a done deal on the ground, in Iraq, the war smashed order, and the 'Coalition' forces were/are there during the sorting out phase. Indeed, the case could be made they are an obstacle to a native solution to the territories problems.
Was there any doubt that he made this decision months ago?
Look, I think it was pretty clear that Dan was going to vote for Kerry a month ago, but Dan is a thoughtful guy and a politics junkie, meaning that he wanted to be meticulous about his decision. There's nothing wrong or disingenuous with that. I wish more people would think as carefully about their vote as Dan.
Somebody with a blog needs to start a betting pool on when guys like Drezner, Sullivan, Chafetz, etc. realize Kerry was the wrong choice if Kerry is elected.
My bets:
Sullivan-changes his mind before the inauguration after realizing Bush's FMA support was really not that important
Drezner-next April, as Kerry pulls troops out of Baghdad into rural bases and reduces troop levels in half, and within his first 100 days sends Edwards out to promote his new "Fair Trade Plan" and signs new labor laws making it easier for unions to organize without elections
Chafetz & Adesknik-When Kerry has Arafat to the WH to announce the end of US aid for Israel and tells Sharon to "tear down that wall" sounding nothing like Ronald Reagan. OR when the mullahs brutally put down a student protest reminiscent of Tiannamen and the Kerry WH makes no condemnation so as not to upset our talks with them over how much nuclear materials we need to supply them for them to promise to end their weapons program.
Mickey Kaus-When Iran and NK both test nuclear weapons in 2006 within the same month of each other, he decides perhaps we needed Bush around to keep making more history rather than letting the axis of evil make it.
"Whom else would you expect to learn the truth from? Gruntled insiders?"
Bush's decisionmaking process can be seen from the decisions reached without resort to anecdotes from the losers in internal WH debates (as reported by Ron Suskind). The big decisions are stuck to relentlessly, and tactics shift according to the situation, though the changes aren't acknowledged. In making the big decisions, he usually had opposing views within the WH arguing both sides of the case. Of course the losers like O'Neill and Clark are going to say the decisionmaking process is flawed because Bush wasn't convinced by them. That they seem to be two extremely arrogant people also makes it difficult to trust their accounts of why Bush didn't go their way.
why don't you abstain, or vote third party.
I'd like start a pool on when Reg realizes he's an angry fool.
Dibs on never.
Dan,
Now that your decision is made, what are you going to do to make your belief of what is best for the nation is what our f'd up electoral process actually decides?
Wondered how long it would take for you to be declared a traitor and an Osama lover. Then I read the first comment.
Republicans (I will not sully the name of conservatism by calling them conservatives) are no longer the party of reason. I hope Bush loses for the sake of the Republican Party. This unthinking hero worship is not healthy.
rationalizations
wow, i can't wait to hear from all the people who said andrew sullivan only turned away from bush because...
I don't think anyone can conclusively rebut the "maybe my guy is even less incompetent than your guy" argument. IMHO, a vote for either of these two is a faith-based initiative.
As an aside, following the links to the Kevin Drum piece was quite fun. My favorite tough-guy rhetoric was this:
Nor does Kerry intend to shy away from a cardinal source of funding for the madrassas — Saudi Arabia. Biden in particular is prepared to confront the Saudis over their troublesome ideological adventures. "Our policy should be: Cease and desist, or we've got to figure out new relationships here," he says. "Am I going to invade your country? Hell no. Are we going to depose you? Hell no. But let me tell you: Are we going to supply the physical security for your continued existence? I don't know."
Excellent! We will force the Saudis to arm themselves and seek new allies - that'll show 'em!
And I feel a more stable Middle East already, as the Saudis look for an accomadation with the Iranians, and contemplate the merits of going nuclear since they have been asked to go it alone.
This May WaPo interview with Kerry is also timeless.
The lead:
Sen. John F. Kerry indicated that as president he would play down the promotion of democracy as a leading goal in dealing with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China and Russia, instead focusing on other objectives that he said are more central to the United States' security.
Oh, and I forgot, re: Frieda's comment---
Well, you certainly made the Mullhas in Iran, Hezboullah, Bin-Laden group, and Yasser Arafat very happy.
---that the mullahs in Iran appear to have made their endorsement known:
The head of Iran's security council said Tuesday that the re-election of President Bush was in Tehran's best interests, despite the administration's axis of evil label, accusations that Iran harbors al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions over the country's nuclear ambitions.
Could be them playing us for fools, of course; they've done such a good job of that already. But look:
Iran was happy to see Bush destroy two big regional enemies — the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam Hussein in Iraq.
Iranian political analyst Mohsen Mofidi said ousting the Taliban and Saddam was the "biggest service any administration could have done for Iran."
Maybe Bush can run for Ayatollah after he loses. He's got the faith-based personality for the job, that's for sure.
Sam wrote:
Look, I think it was pretty clear that Dan was going to vote for Kerry a month ago, but Dan is a thoughtful guy and a politics junkie, meaning that he wanted to be meticulous about his decision. There's nothing wrong or disingenuous with that.
On the contrary it is disingenuous to lead on your readers by pretending to be undecided about something you had already decided on (something you and I agree Daniel Drezner had already made a long time ago). He has presented a number of rationales (finally going back to his earlier criticism of troop levels in Iraq although he has scrupulously avoided addressing arguments that there are good reasons for the level of troops we have or evidence that this was what the generals on the ground recommended) that have been challenged rather thoughtfully by many of his readers from pointing out that “divided government” isn’t the panacea for “limited government” that many would hope or that Bush’s trade record is no different from most presidents (e.g. Clinton) and objectively better than John Kerry, and ignoring a whole host of domestic and foreign policy issues in which Bush is objectively (from a libertarian/conservative standard) better than Kerry because it would contradict or mitigate against a decision to vote for Kerry.
Moreover, since the crux of Drezner’s criticism of Bush is supposedly that the later refuses to consider or address arguments that challenge his assumptions, isn’t Daniel Drezner guilty of the very thing he accuses President Bush of doing?
Drezner wasn’t being meticulous in making his decision, he was just being dishonest in trying to come up with a rationale to justify it.
Better than decisionmaking process, I think the priority of a candidate's values is a better way to choose who to vote. So how do you vote for a guy who values his hair more than supporting his baseball team?
"Bleary-eyed from watching the Red Sox past midnight and getting up before dawn to go goose hunting, John F. Kerry emerged from his armored sport-utility vehicle near midday yesterday, pumping his fist and pointing to his Sox cap--which was in his hand, not on his head. . . ."
What a joke.
You had to do it. I hope you get tenure.
Remeber, what you do in the voting both is nobody's business but your own.
Dave wrote:
I put Kerry's plan to internationalize the occupation in the same category as Clinton's middle class tax cut in 1992, i.e., they both know it's baloney, but it sounds good. If Kerry is elected, expect a speech in the early spring saying "I tried, but I couldn't get the allies on board, so we need to do x." What x is I have no idea. (And if Kerry really wants to be mean, he can blame W for his inability to bring more countries on board.)
If Kerry honestly believes he can get significant international support, then we're in a whole heap of trouble.
I concur but there’s something else that I found more troubling were Kerry’s repeated statements that we know the war is going badly in Iraq based on what we see on the evening news. Tet offensive anyone?
If Kerry really thinks that what we see on the evening news (“if it bleeds, it leads”) is an accurate representation of world events rather than just the most “exciting” portions, then it doesn’t say much for either his understanding of the world or the kind of resolve he’d show if he were ever Commander in Chief. If on the other hand (more likely IMO), he is simply trying to exploit this to get votes against Bush and is willing to undermine public support for the war to do it (much like he repeatedly dissed our allies and the Iraqis fighting and dying against the insurgents), then he’s even more despicable than many of us thought.
Welcome, depressingly, aboard. AN unenthusiastic vote for Kerry, followed by four years of loyal opposition, is the right and responsible thing to do under the circumstances. Demonstrated incompetence, antagonism toward evidence, and deceptiveness shouldn't be rewarded with re-election, if there's a basically-acceptable alternative.
We're more likely to get competent foreign policy for four years, and more likely to have a Republican Party that values responsibility and accountability and governing ability in four years, if Kerry wins now. If W wins, the Republican Party carries away the lessons that a government-growth spending agenda will be rewarded, that honesty in policymaking and competence in policy-execution are superfluous, and the intentions of those in government-- their conviction that they're on the right side, and that they sincerely want desirable outcomes-- are more important than the actual delivery of outcomes. This would be a depely unhealthy set of things for the GOP to become convinced of.
I commend your decision and believe you are making it based on very solid reasoning. Keep up the good work.
Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.
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