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Bob Ford of the Philadelphia Inquirer does not like Red Sox fans
I see people. I see annoying people. I see annoying people wearing blue hats with a red B on the front. And they're . . . they're . . . everywhere! Yes, it is the seemingly annual invasion of the denizens of Red Sox Nation. (Motto: In Us We Irritate.) It is a nation whose currency is based on being cloying, self-important, pompous, overly loud and, regrettably, ever-present, and the economy is great. Axis of Evil? You make your list of nations that belong and I'll make mine.... The Red Sox, thanks largely to their streak-breaking championship in 2004, became cuddly, cute, popular, and attractive to great scads of casual fans who wanted to glom onto the gravy train. There's nothing cuddly or cute about a team with a $133 million payroll. You can't be an underdog if you spend like the Kennedys. If the Red Sox - who struggled to draw one million fans under the penurious final seasons of Yawkey family ownership - were once a cold-water walk-up on Kenmore Square, they are now a gated compound on the Cape.
As a longtime Sox fan, I can kind of understand where Ford is coming from.  The Red Sox clearly aren't underdogs anymore -- and, with continued good management, never will be.  On the other hand, Ford kind of contradicts himself at the end of his column: 
Earlier this year, Hank Steinbrenner, part-owner of the Yankees and son of legendary windbag George Steinbrenner, said he doesn't believe in Red Sox Nation. "Go anywhere in America and you won't see Red Sox hats and jackets, you'll see Yankee hats and jackets," Steinbrenner said. "This is a Yankee country." At the moment, judging by the national deficit and some unfortunate policy missteps, this actually seems to be a Kansas City Royals kind of country. But we'll leave that debate for another time and focus instead on this question for Mr. Steinbrenner: What in the world are you talking about? There are Yankees hats out there, certainly. I see them in plaid and argyle and all black, and worn sideways with no bend to the brim. Those are prevalent, and I honestly don't know what they are, but they are not baseball hats. Everywhere else are the blue hats with the red B on the front. Those are stained and weathered, and the brims are curved to keep out the sun. The people who wear them have a big team that pretends to be little, a team that won a championship in 2004 and then another last season. They are very happy with themselves.
It seems to me you can't begrudge a fan base that was loyal through the seventy lean years and is now reaping the seven fat years.  Hat tip to David Pinto, who makes an interesting point
Red Sox Nation, however, is a truly remarkable phenomenon. Boston combined first rate marketing with deft team building to take Boston from a locally loved team to a national brand. Both on the business and baseball side, the management group should be admired for that, and other teams should try to emulate that success. Ford's team, the Phillies, have a chance to build that kind of brand right now. Maybe create the HURH club, for Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Hamels. Instead of complaining, try beating them at their own game.
The problem is, the Phillies play in Philadelphia, the city with the meanest sports fans in the country.  My father can tell war stories about how, as an ER doc, he'd see the hospital overflow with people following any sports event.  I've seen Philly fans up close -- hell, they'd begrudge Gandhi for life if the guy booted a grounder.  If the Red Sox don't win it this year, I'll be pulling for the Phillies, however, just to see how Philly fans deal with success.  Five years of sports success in Boston has gone a long way towards eliminating the sourness that pervades the Philly sports scene. 
 

JOHN SALMON

9:23 PM ET

June 16, 2008

Boston fans booed Ted

Boston fans booed Ted Williams, the greatest hitter of all time. Yankees' fans boo A-Rod, and Brooklyn fans loved assailing their "Bums." But fans in Philadelphia are the "meanest." All East Coast fans are tough, and I'd imagine the ER's are full in New York or Boston on bad nights for the local clubs as well.

 

HEI LUN CHAN

2:22 AM ET

June 17, 2008

So he's irritated that the

So he's irritated that the Sox have such devoted fans that they travel to other cities to watch their team? The horror!

I don't think Sox fans ever claim that their team were underdogs except against the Yankees. You know, $200 million payroll and all. The only legitimate charge is that Sox fans are annoying. Well, yeah. All popular winning teams end up with many annoying fans.

I don't recall an instance when fans in Boston or New York cheered when an opponent suffered an injury, like the Eagles fans with Michael Irvin. And they did boo Santa Claus ...

 

DERRICK

6:19 AM ET

June 17, 2008

I'm from Detroit, I live in

I'm from Detroit, I live in Atlanta and the closest I've ever been to Boston is a brief trip to Hartford, so I have no real dog in this fight. But I have to say that as a big sports fan who goes out to bars and events, by far the most annoying set of fans that I consistently run into are Boston fans. I don't begrudge their success and obviously we are talking about a small sample, but catching a Finals game the other day and listening to a bunch of guys slapping high-fives over missed free-throws in the 3rd quarter was kind of over doing it. And that doesn't even remotely compare to the insufferable fans during the last ALCS.

I spent a lifetime hating New York teams and its fans, and subsequently rooted for Boston in those series up till last year, but now I'll be rooting for a mutually assured destruction.

 

MARTIN

5:16 PM ET

June 17, 2008

You do realize that this fall

You do realize that this fall the country may be treated to the most insufferable fans of all. I am of course referring to the Chicago Cubs. This year, the 100th anniversary of their last World Series championship (1908 seemed just like yesterday), the Cubbies, who play in the world's largest outdoor beer garden and singles bar, are cruising along with the best record in baseball. What if nothing goes wrong? No black cat walking in front of their dugout in Shea Stadium. No ball through Leon Durham's legs. (Boston fans will be thrilled to know that the Cubs let Bill Buckner go to Boston because they had Durham. We beat Boston to the crucial first baseman screw up by two years.) No Steve Bartman.

You think people hate those dark blue caps with the red B? Wait until you get a load of the royal blue caps with the bright red C.

If you want to stay in a negative frame of mind, check out Steve Goodman's, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xBxZGQ1dJk

Feeling upbeat, listen to the revival of the 1984 Cub theme, "Go, Cubs, Go!", also by Steve Goodman -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrlLmTh32KI

Goodman did not make it to see the Cubs win anything. After a long battle with leukemia, he died on September 20, 1984, three days before the Cubs clinched the National League East, their first championship of any kind since 1945. Goodman had been scheduled to sing the National Anthem at the Cubs playoff opener on October 1. The ultimate in Cub fan fatalism.

 

STEVE

5:07 PM ET

June 18, 2008

Long time Phillies fan here.

Long time Phillies fan here. I don't begrudge the Red Sox heir success. Their fans are pretty obnoxious now, but no worse than Yankees fans were when they were winning World Series. I respect the way the Sox have developed and formed a winning team. A lot of that was sheer spending, but as we all know spending does not guarantee success (see Texas Rangers, current Yankees).

The Phillies have done relatively little to promote their foursome. I agree with you on that. Of course, it will be easier to promote them if they actually win anything, and Phillies fans know there team will only play well enough to get your hopes up, sigh.

Steve

 

STATLER

12:54 PM ET

June 19, 2008

I have to take issue with

I have to take issue with Ford's contention that "everywhere else are the blue hats with the red B on the front," as though that were somehow a meaningful contrast to the Yankee off-color hats.

The idea that Red Sox hats still hew close to the original colors is a flat-out fantasy. As a Boston (and formerly Kenmore) resident, I can tell you horror stories about pink hats, green hats, and that seemingly omnipresent bit from Dropkick Murphys.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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