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I've been juuuust a bit slow to comment on the Russian-Georgian war.  This was because:
  • After six years as a blogger, it's slowly dawning on me that it's good every once and a while to pause before blogging. 
  • That gosh-darn day "job" has been occupying my time.   
But now I see that international relations theory is being wielded, so it's time to step in. Benjamin Friedman has a post in which he argues that events in the Caucasus vindicate realism.  Some highlights: 
George Kenann calls NATO expansion a “strategic blunder of potentially epic proportions” here, a position most realists share. Obama calls for NATO expansion to Georgia here, despite the fact that an alliance with Georgia offers little benefit to Americans but is likely to the drag the US into conflict with a nuclear armed state. Obama, if it wasn’t clear already, is no realist. That is a perhaps a result of running for President of a country that wants idealist presidents, but the fact remains.
OK, first of all, could realists please spare everyone the lament about how hard their lot is in the United States?  I know realists like to believe that this country is hostile to realism, but it just ain't so.  Second of all, I'm not sure that realist opposition to NATO expansion is vindicated by the Georgia invasion. I presume their argument is that NATO expansion somehow triggered the security dilemma, which led to Russia's current revanchism.  The thing is, I wrote half a book about how Russia treated its near abroad during the nineties, when it was supposedly so weak.  It coerced the living hell out of them (sanctions, supporting irredentists, etc.) back then too -- and this was long before NATO was expanded.  So the idea that Russia wouldn't have done anything in the Caucasus if the West had kept its nose clean strikes me as pretty absurd.  Russia was going to do this as soon as it had the power and saw an opportunity.  If you want to blame this on past United States actions, Iraq matters a lot more than anything else. Indeed, Friedman seems to make this exact point later on: 
Commentators of all stripes seem to assume that Russia’s move into Georgia was driven by its increasingly autocratic nature. (This is reminiscent of Kennan’s argument back in the X article that Communism made the Soviet Union prone to aggression, which he later regretted.) It is worth considering whether this is a misperception. A powerful body of political science argues that states’ foreign policy actions are driven mostly by their circumstance and interests, not their regime type or the personality of the leaders. Regime type and personality affect how states interpret their circumstances, but maybe not as much as we tend to think. The United States is not particularly tolerant of seemingly hostile states in its near abroad either, whether they are democracies or not. 
 UPDATE:  Friedman responds in comments
I... argue that the war demonstrates the idiocy of expanding NATO to Russia's doorstep, which for the US is all costs, no benefits. That is because it demonstrates that Georgia has showed itself to be the kind of ally you don't want to have - reckless, carrying a territorial and ethnic conflict with a nuclear armed state, and devoid of benefit for us.
He's got a point here, but I'm not sure how generalizable the point is.  All of the Baltic states could have met Friedman's definition of a "reckless" state in the nineties.  They all bordered Russia, two of them (Estonia and Latvia) treated their Russian minorities pretty shabbily, and the third (Lithuania) had some fun border disputes too.  NATO membership for those countries, however, has not resulted in more recklessness -- if anything, it (plus EU membership) moderated their behavior.  This might be where institutionalists have a point.  Friedman (and other realists) presume that alliances can encourage small states like Georgia to behave more recklessly.  It is equally possible, however, that joining an institution moderates behavior.  And, it should be noted, institutionalists find their greatest empirical support for this argument in the behavior of Eastern Europe since 1989.  For the record, I think I'm with Hilzoy on this question -- extending NATO membership to the Baltics makes sense, but extending it to Georgia is a country too far.  My point in this post is that I'm very leery of either all-in arguments (neocons) or all-out arguments (realists).  Neither group has really distinguished themselves in this debate. 
 
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DPT

4:31 AM ET

August 14, 2008

If NATO expansion was an

If NATO expansion was an issue, it was Georgia applying for it and not getting it. All that did was signal to Russia that Georgia wanted to invite the West in, without giving it the protection of Article V. As bellicose as this new Russia is, I don't think they'd risk a nuclear war by attacking a NATO country (regardless of whether extending NATO to Georgia was a good idea or not)... Probably too late for Georgia now, though. Ukraine's case just got a lot stronger in my opinion, but the chances of them being accepted may have gone down too.

 

SHASHANK

10:14 AM ET

August 14, 2008

This sentence - "an alliance

This sentence - "an alliance with Georgia offers little benefit to Americans" - highlights the realist interpretation of the national interest. There are geopolitical (BTC), moral (the secure existence of a quasi-democratic state) and strategic (Georgia bolsters Ukraine, and enables American regional influence) reasons for allying with Georgia and protecting with US lives. The most important reason for allying with Georgia is one that the realist perspective cannot grasp: it is the kind of state that the US ought to want to spread, flourish and remain secure, and it is at risk of becoming a pseudo-colony to Russian ends. One might retort that Ukraine is a NATO colony, but this misses the point that it is the ends to which influence is put that matter. A clear-headed examination of the policy which one's own country is pursuing is important (asking, for example, is it correct to support Georgia to the fullest extent possible?), but moral equivalence seems misplaced when Ossetia - for a variety of reasons - is not Kosovo, and Russian policy in Central Asia is not aimed in the same direction as NATO policy in the area.

 

ANTHONY

12:15 PM ET

August 14, 2008

Surely one of the main points

Surely one of the main points is not whether potential NATO membership for Georgia spurred the Russians on, but the fact that if we'd let Georgia in and this scrap had happened anyway, we'd have two choices:

1) Get into a shooting war with the Russians over a bit of Georgian backyard

2) Decline to do so, thus revealing Article 5 as a nonsense.

There's a substantial body of opinion, including the above commenter, that argues that NATO membership would have been a sufficient deterrent and that, had we let Georgia in, none of this would ever have happened and the Russian bear would have been put back in his box.

High-stakes gamble to take, though.

 

APPALLED MODERATE

1:40 PM ET

August 14, 2008

A brief survey of a map

A brief survey of a map illustrates the difficulty of extending NATO membership to Georgia. I don't see how we would have gotten the troops there to engage in a shooting war. And I think most people can agree that the US and the EU should not sign treaties it is not in a position to honor.

I am sure Russia would like us to think that it is now more difficult to admit the Ukraine into NATO. But the geographic situation there is different -- we don't have to worry about getting troops through Turkish airspace. Contra DPT, accordingly, I think it more likely Ukraine will be let into NATO, provided it continues to have a government that wants that.

 

BEN FRIEDMAN

3:52 PM ET

August 14, 2008

I'll leave aside the point

I'll leave aside the point about Americans wanting realist presidents for lack of space/ effort.

I was not arguing that NATO expansion triggered a security dilemma that led to Russian aggression, although Russian motives and the role of Kosovo remain a bit mysterious, at least to me. I am not a big believer in security dilemmas. I also was not arguing that the war vindicates realism, although I suppose it does. I did argue that the war demonstrates the idiocy of expanding NATO to Russia's doorstep, which for the US is all costs, no benefits. That is because it demonstrates that Georgia has showed itself to be the kind of ally you don't want to have - reckless, carrying a territorial and ethnic conflict with a nuclear armed state, and devoid of benefit for us.

If Georgia had been on a Membership Action Plan last week, we would have faced pressure to fight in a war that does not involve our interests (the oil will flow whoever runs Georgia.) If Georgia had been in NATO (impossible giving the timing but interesting theoretically) it's unclear if this war would have happened, but the tension the war reveals would still exist, at least poisoning and militarizing our relationship with Russia for no good reason.

 

DPT

4:57 PM ET

August 14, 2008

Anthony - Oh, I doubt the

Anthony - Oh, I doubt the bear would be back in the box. Russia would definitely have found its military means limited, but Russian response to Georgian NATO entry would likely have been focused around pipeline cutoffs and other political-economic responses. Probably increased Russian stonewalling at the UNSC as well. In an ideal world, Georgian entry into NATO would have been accompanied with a "no use of force" condition for the separatist regions, which would theoretically remove Russia's best casus belli against Georgia...

Appalled Moderate - I think the countries that want Ukraine to be in NATO already will push harder, but the ones that are afraid of Russia may be more afraid than before. Based on past Ukrainian-Russian relations, Russia would almost certainly use pipeline cutoffs to punish Ukraine for NATO membership. Additionally, Russia may have an incentive to play up its "aggressive" tendencies to convince the West there would be trouble if Ukraine sought NATO membership - which might scare European NATO members into sinking its membership for fear of another Georgia.

 

KEN SCHULTZ

12:13 AM ET

August 15, 2008

Dan, The issue of whether

Dan,

The issue of whether Georgia should now be brought into NATO is a fascinating one from the perspective of IR theory. Russia just attacked Georgia, and we did not defend it. By adding Georgia to NATO, we would be pledging to take an action that we already demonstrated we were not willing to take in the absence of a treaty commitment.

This can only be sensible policy if

(a) once Georgia was in NATO, our concerns about NATO's credibility would be enough to make it worth fighting on Georgia's behalf, and

(b) Russia thinks that (a) is sufficiently likely that it will be deterred from attacking.

Actually, all you need is (b) to make it worthwhile, but it seems like a hell of a gamble. It assumes that treaty commitments have a big independent effect on behavior and adversary's expectations (rather than simply formalizing what actors would have done anyway).

 

PETTY BOOZWHA

1:19 PM ET

August 16, 2008

What about the argument that

What about the argument that this is a Spanish Civil War like tune up, practicing tactics and methods that will be used when dealing with the Ukraine in 2017 when the lease expires on the Crimea? NATO's response today will have a lot of impact when Russia tries to redraw the map in the very near future.

 

MIKE'S AMERICA

5:55 PM ET

August 16, 2008

This is a very sound

This is a very sound strategic reason to admit Georgia into NATO: They have the one non-Russian link between Caspian basin oil and natural gas:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fi-pipelines13-2008aug13,0,3564413.story

Russia has already shown a propensity to use their oil and gas supply as a weapon and if they had a near monopoly on regional supply that tendency would likely increase.

Preserving Georgia's independence and the energy pipelines IS in the strategic interest of the United States and NATO.

For that reason alone, Georgia should be admitted to NATO.

 

REALISM, NEOCONS AND IN-BETWEEN (VIA DREZNER) « THE 8TH CIRC

7:51 PM ET

August 16, 2008

[...] and cons of NATO

[...] and cons of NATO enlargement, but missed a very interesting post by Daniel Drezner who takes the middle ground: My point in this post is that I’m very leery of either all-in arguments (neocons) or all-out [...]

 

ADANIEL

8:08 PM ET

August 18, 2008

I think an immediate

I think an immediate membership for Ukraine and George may not be feasible, I think at least a looser form of alliance should be formed immediately, at a political level, or maybe through MAP. On the other hand, refusing any application to NATO would indeed weaken the alliance and strengthen its rivals.

I think it is always helpful to give the opposite thought a chance. Will it make NATO more powerful if it refuses a Georgian application? I think the answer is clearly now. One of the most potent counterweight to Russian imperialism is that they see that countries are making alliances with its rivals if they are mistreated.

Russian officials have bemused a nuclear threat against a few countries lately. What if dozens of countries will seek alliance against Russia in response? I guess they cannot make a pre-emptive strike against the rest of the world.

 

KEITH

11:45 PM ET

August 19, 2008

Inclusion of Georgia into a

Inclusion of Georgia into a military alliance such as NATO obligates the United States to go to war to defend Georgia. Does anyone in their right mind think the United States should be prepared to go to war and sacrifice the lives of Americans to maintain Georgian independence? Try explaining that to the American people. Realists insist on drawing distinctions between vital and peripheral interests. Such distinctions are the essence of a responsible national security strategy. Democracy in Georgia is desriable, not vital. Georgian independence is desirable, not vital. One makes military alliances with nations vital to American security. Georgia is no more vital than Vietnam. Kennan understood that. Morgenthau would have as well.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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