Liveblogging tonight's foreign policy debate

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11:30 PM:  The clear winner of tonight's debate was me -- for making the decision to sip whiskey while I was watching it.  Time for bed.  11:25 PM:  Marc Ambinder points to a CBS poll of undecideds that give Obama the edge by a pretty wide margin -- but as Nate Silver points out, "Obama didn't win by anything like a 2:1 margin."  CNN just reported a post debate poll that had Obama winning 51% to 38%, but I have no idea how they weighted their sample.    11:10 PM:  Gee, Joe Biden went on CNN to do post-debate spin.  Sarah Palin?  CNN asked her on, but she mysteriously failed to show.  10:58 PM:  I think the fallout from the debate rides on the following: 
  1. Given McCain's erratic behavior this past week, did his decent debate performance improve voter perceptions?
  2. McCain kept reiterating that Obama's foreign policy approach was naive.  Did voters agree with that perception?
  3. Which clips get repeated on YouTube? 
  4. What does Henry Kissinger really think? 
10:49 PM:  Watching the post-debate on CNN... and I'm struck that the GOP operatives are praising McCain for the very things that they derided Al Gore about in 2000.  "He cited a lot of names!" 10:37 PM:  Thank God that's over... I think both of them did better once the questions shifted towards foreign policy.  On a tactical level, I'd give the edge to McCain for trying to hammer home the contrast between his experience and Obama's alleged naivete.  On a strategic level, I think Obama did hold his own on the issues --and by demonstrating a coherent connection between strength at home and strength abroad, refuted McCain's claim.  10:30 PM:  McCain is clearly doing everything possible to demonstrate that a) he's been around the block on foreign policy, and b) Obama is naive on foreign policy questions.  I think McCain has had the snappier one-liners in this debate, but I don't think that sheer repetition on this point is really going to fly.  10:27 PM:  On Russia, McCain gave an answer that sounded like Al Gore in 2000 -- "see how many names I can list?"  Obama gave a decent answer that connected Russia to energy security -- but McCain had a good comeback on how no one from Arizona would oppose solar power.  10:16 PM:  The Iran question is the first one of the night when I saw a clear-cut winner -- Obama cleaned McCain's clock (right until McCain gave a mock dialogue on taking with Iran, which probably played well).  10:07 PM:  And at the fifty-seven minute mark, the Official Blog Wife has fallen asleep.  10:04 PM:  McCain implies that a League of Democracies could impose meaningful sanctions on Iran -- which is, I'm sorry, horses$#t.  India won't sign onto it.  South Africa won't sign onto it.  Brazil won't sign onto it.  And, obviously, Russia and China won't sign onto it.  Which means it's a toothless claim.  9:59 PM:  I was actually pretty impressed with both of their first responses on Pakistan... until McCain started yammering on about his biography.  9:49 PM:  McCain is not really addressing the question on Iraq, going back to talking points.  Obama seems determined to go back to 2003 in answering the question.  A draw on this question -- which is a question where McCain would be expected to trump McCain. 9:42 PM:  Obama says that, "Al Qaeda is stronger than at any time since 2001"?  Really?  Juan Cole would beg to differ9:39 PM:  And we have our first foreign policy question during the foreign policy debate. 9:38 PM:  McCain repeats the Miss Congeniality line.  9:36 PM:  I think McCain is going after the veteran vote... 9:26 PM:  Ah, that implant I put into Lehrer's brain is working.... 9:23 PM:  So I'm getting the sense that Obama is not a libertarian... 9:21 PM:  Why is neither candidate discussing how the cost of the bailout package affects their fiscal plans?  Why isn't Lehrer pressing them? 9:15 PM:  McCain, "the evils of earmarking"!!!!  Look, I don't like this stuff, but "evil"? 9:13 PM:  I'm already depressed, because the answers so far are almost... Palinesque.  9:11 PM:  From the wife:  "Lehrer is like a couples therapist -- 'Talk to each other!  Talk to each other!'" 9:08 PM:  Lehrer, "Let's get back to my question (about the bailout)."  Good for him!  Except that since the plan is kind of changing, it's a bit meaningless.  9:06 PM:  Obama's opening was... eh.  McCain was smart to give a shout out to Kennedy. 9:02 PM:  Hey, the global financial crisis is part of foreign policy!!   9:01 PM:  In accordance with the wishes of the Official Blog Wife, we're watching this on PBS... even Jim Lehrer seems a wee bit nervous... and, I might add, the sound synch is a bit off.... switching to CNN... oh sweet Jesus, what the hell is going on here?  Switch madly to ABC... ahhhhh.  8:55 PM:  Due to the financial crisis, the blog has had to make some adjustments.  In completely unrelated news, have I mentioned that the best way to watch this debate is with a glass of Johnny Walker Blue? 8:53 PM:  Hmmmm.... TNT is showing Con Air, and USA has a House marathon, and the Red Sox game is underway [Resist!!  Resist!!--ed.]  In a few hours, the hard-working staff here at danieldrezner.com will be here to liveblog tonight's economic policy foreign policy probably a bit of both debate.  If the press releases are to be believed, each side thinks the other side's guy is an awesome debater.   Until then, you have time in the comments to offer drinking game tips to watch the debate.  I think one way to guarantee that you're completely sloshed by the ten minute mark is to drink any time either of the candidates says the words "I resent...." 
 
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ZATHRAS

10:44 PM ET

September 26, 2008

Make no

Make no mistake.

Leadership.

Judgement.

Experience.

Character.

The media.

The pundits.

I think the way to do this is to assign a different drink to each of these phrases, maybe taking a double shot if one of the candidates uses the phrase "nay-sayers." This way, tomorrow morning we will feel things are as bad as we think they are tonight.

 

KYLE

11:32 PM ET

September 26, 2008

Is it sad that my friends and

Is it sad that my friends and I have already been planning such a drinking game via email for most of the day? "Change" is worth a ton of drinks, as is "surge", "Islamic fundamentalism" (double it if we can get an "Islamofascism"), "Reagan," "Kennedy," "Truman," or "Lincoln" (please please please no "Carter"!). Any discussion of America's reputation or credibility in the world demands a full group waterfall until said discussion is over. It may be long, and it may be painful.

I expect, though, above all to hear a lot of "Jim". As in, Jim Lehrer. As in, politicians' annoying habit of continuously repeating the informal version of the journalist's/moderator's name to convey that they, the candidates, are a) personable, b) normal people, and/or c) unusually close friends with your favorite media personalities. Unfortunately, none of these things usually hold true.

 

ALEX

12:57 AM ET

September 27, 2008

Also live-blogging

Also live-blogging here:

http://tiny.cc/AND75

 

JOE ROSE

2:11 AM ET

September 27, 2008

More! I'm following your

More! I'm following your live blog, and politico's...

 

DIODOTUS

2:22 AM ET

September 27, 2008

Hmm, McCain can pronounce the

Hmm, McCain can pronounce the unpronounceable names of our allies pretty darn well, does that mean his bungling of our adversaries' unpronounceable names is intentional rather than due to incompetence?

 

JOE ROSE

2:34 AM ET

September 27, 2008

I actually didn't think

I actually didn't think Obama's segue into oil was very good. Russia's petrodollars are primarily from gas, right? U.S. appetite for oil isn't really the issue...

 

STEPHEN SAIDEMAN

2:42 AM ET

September 27, 2008

Nice conclusion, Dan, with

Nice conclusion, Dan, with tactics vs. strategy. I don't have a clue as to why either (esp McCain) would think this distinction would play anywhere.

 

SJC

8:12 AM ET

September 27, 2008

Wasn't going to stay up until

Wasn't going to stay up until 3:30am to watch the sucker so I appreciate the comments. Just like being there - and now I can fake that I was with my colleagues!

 

ROBT

10:55 AM ET

September 27, 2008

Are you a member of the

Are you a member of the Johnny Walker Striding Man Society?

 

USELESS SAM GRANT

12:15 PM ET

September 27, 2008

Easy to see the effects of

Easy to see the effects of the whiskey as time wore on--more typos, less coherence in the posts. Reminds me of the old radio station drinking effects promos they used to do with the local police departments back in the 70s. We've had "Don't Drink & Drive" forever, then it was "Don't Drink & Dial" (as in ex girl or boyfriends). Now do we have to implement "Don't Drink & Blog?"

I don't care who "won." I spent the evening with friends instead of watching this BS. (Yes, I'm still PO'd that my boy McCranky actually showed. I thought the best way to make his statement was to stay in Washington riding herd on that bunch of miscreants and losers who call themselves the Majority Party.)

Bah! Where's my glass of Jim?

 

ARTHUR

12:44 PM ET

September 27, 2008

"What does Henry Kissinger

"What does Henry Kissinger really think?"

What was Henry Kissinger really saying? It sounded as if he'd been the one hitting the Johnny Walker.

And he's coaching Palin? Yeah, that'll work . . .

 

DON STADLER

5:14 PM ET

September 27, 2008

Dan, Dan, drinking a blend?

Dan, Dan, drinking a blend? What has the world come to?

McCain is a single malt, Obama not really a whiskey at all. More of a premium vodka kind of guy I'd say.

 

JON H

10:30 PM ET

September 27, 2008

"I was actually pretty

"I was actually pretty impressed with both of their first responses on Pakistan… until McCain started yammering on about his biography. "

The Walker Blue must have been in full effect if you missed McCain calling Pakistan pre-Musharraf a 'failed state', when in fact it had a democratically elected government that Musharraf toppled in a coup.

 

ROGER SWEENY

11:47 PM ET

September 27, 2008

Be glad you didn't watch the

Be glad you didn't watch the Red Sox game. Losing to the Yankees 19-8 and all your pitchers look like s--t.

 

DON STADLER

2:50 AM ET

September 28, 2008

Jon, if I recall the story of

Jon, if I recall the story of the Mushareff 'coup' it was begun by an effort by that "democratic" government to murder Mushareff by deying a plane he was plying on a place to land. He sent orders to an army unit to occupy an airfield and therefore denied the democratic process a chance to work, the dastard!

 

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Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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