Linda Hirshman has an op-ed in today's New York Times in which she warns that Barack Obama's stimulus plan should benefit both genders equally: 
Mr. Obama compared his infrastructure plan to the Eisenhower-era construction of the Interstate System of highways. It brings back the Eisenhower era in a less appealing way as well: there are almost no women on this road to recovery. Back before the feminist revolution brought women into the workplace in unprecedented numbers, this would have been more understandable. But today, women constitute about 46 percent of the labor force. And as the current downturn has worsened, their traditionally lower unemployment rate has actually risen just as fast as men’s. A just economic stimulus plan must include jobs in fields like social work and teaching, where large numbers of women work (emphasis added).
There's a word to describe Hirshman's argument here.  I think the word is "wrong," since it's based on a faulty premise:
Men are losing jobs at far greater rates than women as the industries they dominate, such as manufacturing, construction, and investment services, are hardest hit by the downturn. Some 1.1 million fewer men are working in the United States than there were a year ago, according to the Labor Department. By contrast, 12,000 more women are working. This gender gap is the product of both the nature of the current recession and the long-term shift in the US economy from making goods, traditionally the province of men, to providing services, in which women play much larger roles, economists said. For example, men account for 70 percent of workers in manufacturing, which shed more than 500,000 jobs over the past year. Healthcare, in which nearly 80 percent of the workers are women, added more than 400,000 jobs. “As the recession broadens, the gap between men and women is going to close somewhat,” said Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. “But right now, the sectors that are really getting pounded are intensely male.”
Click here for more background information on the data provided above.  Now, maybe this is unfair -- maybe more women have entered the labor force, and therefore their unemployment rate has risen as fast as men.  Nope, that's not it.  Monthly data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that Hirschman's assumpton is a flat-out falsehood.  Immediately prior to the start of the recession (November 2007), the unemployment rate for men was 4.7%; the rate for women was 4.6%.  As of November 2008, the unemployment rate for men has increased to 7.2%, while the unemployment rate for women has only risen to 6%.  So, to sum up:  there is no way to spin this data to support the assumption that drives Hirschman's op-ed.  Readers are invited to proffer their reasons for a) how Hirshman could be so wrong in her premise; and b) why the New York Times op-ed page did not fact-check this out of the essay.  UPDATE:  Hirshman provides her rationale for this assumption in a comment over at Megan McArdle's site
Here is the data from the November report of the BLS, available to anyone with a click of the mouse, showing the female unemployment rate rising as the downturn worsened, and, coincidentally, the jobs stimulus rose to the top of the political pile as the salient issue. Since extracting information from printed sources does not seem to be your strong suit, allow me to summarize the data: From October to November 2008, men's and women's unemployment rate rose .2. From September, 2008 to November, 2008, which was when the downturn worsened, men's unemployment rate rose .4 and women's .6.
This is, at best, cherry-picking the data, because it ignores the massive gender splits of the eight months of the recession prior to September.  If the recession started in December of last year, I don't see a reason for looking only at a couple of months of data.  ANOTHER UPDATE:  Hirshman posts another comment below, which is essentially a reprint of what she wrote at McArdle's site.  My response:
  • I misspelled her name in the initial version of this post.  And my apologies for that.
  • Again, her focus on this quarter's data misses the point that this recession has hit men far harder than women.  Looking only at recent data without examining the whole of recession is like looking only at the gender breakdown of the last lifeboat off of the Titanic.
  • Hirshman asks, "why is it that making an argument for women elicits this level of vitriol?"  I don't find much vitriol in this post.  I would counter with the question of why Hirshman -- someone who is hardly new to the public sphere -- is so sensitive to valid criticisms.
  • Stepping back, there's a larger question, which is whether the stimulus package should take gender into account.  To me, that's the wrong question.  The right question is, how can the stimulus be apportioned to maximize productivity and employment gains? 
 
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SCOTT

2:08 PM ET

December 9, 2008

I'm having problems with the

I'm having problems with the BLS Web site this morning, but is it possible that just the downside of the net change is comparable between the genders? That wouldn't mean what she's saying, but it could easily be misunderstood as being the same thing.

 

ALL MI T

4:17 PM ET

December 9, 2008

I think that all the capitol

I think that all the capitol hill folk need to consider some OTHER ways to grow and stimulate our economy

 

LIZARDBREATH

5:11 PM ET

December 9, 2008

If the recession started in

If the recession started in December of last year, I don’t see a reason for looking only at a couple of months of data.

She did say "As the current downturn has worsened," which makes no sense if you take her to be referring to the entire course of the current recession.

 

JUSTIN

6:08 PM ET

December 9, 2008

Dan, you just don't get it...

Dan, you just don't get it... people like that don't need a reason, just an excuse.

 

LINDA HIRSHMAN

6:09 PM ET

December 9, 2008

This reader wonders how

This reader wonders how Drezner could be so wrong and why he failed to fact check his own post before he posted it. (This reader also wonders what subconscious process drives Drezner, like his publicist at the Atlantic, Megan McCardle, to be unable to perform the fundamental journalistic task of spelling correctly the name of the person they are intending, in his case, to characterize as a sexist, and in her case, to tell me to eat dick. I'm guessing that it has something to do with the very human shame at facing the person you are about treat unjustly, but maybe you just don't fact check your blog.)

I set forth below the data from the November report of the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics,available to anyone with a click of the mouse, showing the female unemployment rate rising as the downturn worsened, exactly as I said, and, coincidentally, the jobs stimulus rose to the top of the political pile as the salient issue.

I append the excerpts from the BLS below. But they do not answer the deeper question: why is it that making an argument for women elicits this level of vitriol?

The BLS DATA:
Since extracting information from printed sources does not seem to be your strong suit, allow me to summarize the data:
From October to November 2008, men's and women's unemployment rate rose .2. From September, 2008 to November, 2008, which was when the downturn worsened, men's unemployment rate rose .4 and women's .6.
So my statement, as the downturn worsened, was not only completely accurate, but it fact-checked, fancy that.

Although women's unemployment rate did not rise as fast as men's did for the full year leading up to November 2008, that was not what I said. Moreover, according to your own figures, it rose a not trivial 1.4% from 4.6% to 6%. So a jobs program consisting almost entirely of jobs 88% to 91% male would be unjust even if the goal were to distribute relief based on the degree of suffering since November 2007, as you seem to suggest. That was not my argument, but thanks for helping me think about it, Professor Drezner.

And here it is now:
Table A. Major indicators of labor market activity, seasonally adjusted
(Numbers in thousands)
_______________________________________________________________________________
| | |
| Quarterly | |
| averages | Monthly data | Oct.-
Category |_________________|__________________________| Nov.
| | | | | | change
| II | III | Sept. | Oct. | Nov. |
| 2008 | 2008 | 2008 | 2008 | 2008 |
_________________________|________|________|________|________|________|________
|
HOUSEHOLD DATA | Labor force status
|_____________________________________________________

| | | | | |
Civilian labor force ....| 154,294| 154,730| 154,732| 155,038| 154,616| -422
Employment ............| 146,089| 145,517| 145,255| 144,958| 144,285| -673
Unemployment ..........| 8,204| 9,213| 9,477| 10,080| 10,331| 251
Not in labor force ......| 79,117| 79,381| 79,628| 79,575| 80,212| 637
|________|________|________|________|________|________
|
| Unemployment rates
|_____________________________________________________
| | | | | |
All workers .............| 5.3| 6.0| 6.1| 6.5| 6.7| 0.2
Adult men .............| 4.9| 5.7| 6.1| 6.3| 6.5| .2
Adult women ...........| 4.6| 4.9| 4.9| 5.3| 5.5| .2

Posted by Linda Hirshman | December 9, 2008 10:58 AM

 

CHRIS

6:13 PM ET

December 9, 2008

Dan, Seeing as how you work

Dan, Seeing as how you work on a college campus I can't imagine that this is the first time you have run across a feminist, diversity enforcer, or social engineer playing fast and loose with the facts.

 

INSTAPUNDIT » BLOG ARCHIVE » UNEMPLOYMENT: HITTING MEN HARDE

6:16 PM ET

December 9, 2008

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SIGIVALD

10:24 PM ET

December 9, 2008

And here I thought the point

And here I thought the point of a "jobs program" was supposed to be that it would provide useful work.

If the goal is, instead, merely to provide sham-work to sham-fix unemployment, then it will be trivial indeed (and "justice" - such as the term can be applied to Potemkin-employment - might require it the make-work be applied to both sexes equally.

However, given that very few people want or support pointless make-work, we're going to have to deal with the fact that the sorts of work (such as the much-lauded and ill-defined "infrastructure rebuilding") that are both useful and under the Government's purview might be non-gender-neutral in their applications.

In other words, to paraphrase (IIRC) Ann Althouse's comment on the subject, "women should start doing construction work" if they want more jobs out of it.

(At best Hishman's pasted data supports only that women are still less unemployed than men, and that men have been hit with more unemployment over the whole recession, but over the past two months the rate of change has been equal for men and women... despite the male rate rising more over the entire recession.

Not a stellar argument for "throw more money at social workers".

And no, "justice" does not demand that we throw more money at social workers and teachers either, simply because more of them are women. Last I checked teachers weren't being laid off en-masse, and the point of a "stimulus package" was not gender employment equality, but to stimulate the economy.

We can debate the merits of "stimulus" and its practicality, but I don't think the idea that hiring lots of social workers will somehow be an effective economic stimulus is close to tenable.)

 

LINDA HIRSHMAN

11:13 PM ET

December 9, 2008

"What a sexist.Readers are

"What a sexist.Readers are invited to proffer their reasons for a) how Hirshman could be so wrong in her premise; and b) why the New York Times op-ed page did not fact-check this out of the essay." (Drezner)

In the world of opinion writing, to accuse another writer of having their own facts, as the saying goes, is indeed vitriolic, anyone in the academy knows that, and the best evidence is the glee with which the original, faulty charge, but somehow not the fact that my opinion was solidly backed by current government statistics, was picked up in the echo chamber, including Drezner's admirer over at the Atlantic, who called it "blow dryer in the shower wrong" but "girls will be girls."

I am proposing a public policy that Professor Drezner does not agree with -- distributive justice, even rather than maximizing productivity if necessary. Fair enough, we disagree politically (surprise). But I suspect that Professor Drezner used such out there rhetoric because he actually thought he had caught me with my BLS down and hadn't the slightest idea that there were current numbers supporting exactly what I said ("as the downturn worsened"). There being no fact check in the blogosphere, up went his post. oops. It's funny how once he learned that I did have backup for my contention, the talk of being a "Sexist" and so "wrong" that a "fact check process" would "remove" a sentence in his original post turned into a relatively technical dispute about whether it is better form to use official BLS unemployment data for the three month period in which the program at issue was conceived or the official BLS data for the nine months preceding the time the downturn worsened.
And I would turn the question again: having observed my long career in the public sphere, why would Drezner start with me and not expect me to have the goods and come back at him? who did he think he was accusing of being so "wrong;" some "girl?"

 

DONNA B.

1:04 AM ET

December 10, 2008

One point is that we do not

One point is that we do not need more social workers, we need effective social workers. The same with teachers and child care workers.

Another point is to find out why so few men are employed in those jobs. Is it because they think they will be accused of child molestation? Perhaps some of the effective social workers could figure that out.

Then, why, oh why, oh why would a supposed feminist rail that there should be more "women's work" jobs created?? I am appalled. Of course, a female might not be the best choice to load 50 gallon barrels of anything on a truck by hand, but they would be easily capable of driving the forklift that a man is going to use to do that job.

 

JIM

1:05 AM ET

December 10, 2008

Wow, I'm thinking Hirshman

Wow, I'm thinking Hirshman needs to relax and think through her thoughts a little more clearly. I'm embarrassed for her. But I'm sure that's somehow sexist, too. Maybe even racist. Definitely some sort of "ist" has been committed here.

 

BRETT

1:49 AM ET

December 10, 2008

"distributive justice, even

"distributive justice, even rather than maximizing productivity if necessary. "

That's a rather clean way to say "Stupid economic policy."

 

KLUG

2:43 AM ET

December 10, 2008

I think it is truly excellent

I think it is truly excellent that an intellectual can deploy the run-on sentence as well as Professor Hirshman has done in her 6:13p comment.

 

ZATHRAS

3:20 AM ET

December 10, 2008

Well, if you're going to have

Well, if you're going to have an infrastructure package, it probably makes sense to direct it toward a limited number of objectives. Otherwise you're just throwing money around at a lot of different things, and likely to end up not doing any of them very well.

This is admittedly a somewhat unoriginal observation, so I feel obligated to add this: what we are now calling a stimulus package is misleadingly named. No package Congress can put together between now and January 20 is going to "jump start" the economy and get it back to operating the way it did in, say, 2004. What we are really talking about is a short-term plan to prevent economic activity from grinding completely to a halt, prevent destitution among the least well-off Americans, build up assets in the physical infrastructure of the United States and increase employment in jobs that can support families.

None of this will solve the overriding problem in the American economy, which is an excess of unproductive debt in both the public and private sectors. That isn't the point. The point is, instead, to get us through the current crisis with something to show for our efforts when we emerge. That requires spending a lot on projects that can generate productive employment fairly quickly, not spending a little on that and a little more on something else just to show we are being fairsy-sharesy (the common English expression for "distributive justice") as far as gender (or race, religion, geographic location, etc.) is concerned. The so-called stimulus will not be the last train out of the station, but it won't take us where we need it to if we overload it.

As for Ms. Hirshman's concern about being victimized by vitriol, well, she ought to consider taking a couple of toughen-up pills. In the blogosphere, being accused of cherry-picking your data to produce a misleading conclusion is about as abusive as getting your hair tousled.

 

BRETT

4:05 AM ET

December 10, 2008

"I think it is truly

"I think it is truly excellent that an intellectual can deploy the run-on sentence as well as Professor Hirshman has done in her 6:13p comment."

Or write about fifty-thousand grammatical errors in the process.

 

JORGXMCKIE

4:15 AM ET

December 10, 2008

Face, most of the commenters

Face, most of the commenters here as well as Prof. Drezner are *males* so you can ipso facto have no useful input. No matter what you say or what 'facts' or 'logic' you marshal, you'll still be wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

JACK

4:20 AM ET

December 10, 2008

WOW - now we know why they

WOW - now we know why they need editors!

And I would turn the question again: having observed my long career in the public sphere, why would Drezner start with me and not expect me to have the goods and come back at him? who did he think he was accusing of being so “wrong;” some “girl?”

Is there some other Drezner who she could be responding to?
Daniel's never referred to LH as a 'girl', nor has he indicated that he wasn't expecting her to have 'the goods' or to 'come back at him'? Who the hell is she arguing with?

The simple fact is that her presentation of the BLS data was tendentious. This isn't simply a disagreement on policy preferences - whatever 'distributive justice' may be - it deals with a dispute over the characterization of a well known economic data series.

It's cute though that she expects anyone to defer to her role at the NYT. Who could question the integrity of the New York Times?!?

 

KEVIN R.C. O'BRIEN

5:35 AM ET

December 10, 2008

UNEMPLOYMENT: Hitting the New

UNEMPLOYMENT: Hitting the New York Times harder than well-managed businesses.

I got a laugh out of Hirshman's thin skin. The laugh deepened when I saw that in her post whining about critics misspelling her name, she misspelled a critic's name. We're talking eggshell-thin and eggshell-brittle here. I surely hope I have spelled her name correctly throughout this post. I wouldn't want to bruise such a tender narcissus.

As far as Dr Drezner's suggestion that the op-ed should have been fact-checked, former Times public editor Dan Okrent informed the public that it has not ever been Times policy to fact-check opinion pieces, and that columnists and op-=ed writers expressing popular viewpoints have free reign to fabricate. (He fought a public battle with one columnist over the issue. His successor, Barney Calame, dropped that fight, and turned the position into what it is today, white-washer of errors and defender of the editors and writers from the critical public. No doubt Calame's successor Clark Hoyt will say a few kind words about Hirshman).

Opinion pieces in the Times exist to intone the shibboleths of, and spread comfort to, the Times's cocoon of preferred Manhattan readers. No more, no less; it's comfort food for the undiscerning intellectual appetite. In producing this, some writers marshal facts, some fabricate facts, and some, like Hirshman, cherry-pick facts. The piece comes out as required: "ZOMG Recession!!11! Womyn and Children Hit Hardest!" But whatever facts may exist in any piece are incidental to its purpose.

 

FAT MAN

6:27 AM ET

December 10, 2008

This controversy fills my

This controversy fills my heart with great joy. Every race/sex/gender grievance monger (I am looking at you Hirshman) will be working just as hard as he can to undermine Obama's stimulus plan. We have not yet heard from the tree huggers who will hate it even more. There seems to be a possibility that the plan will not pass before the recession has ended. Perhaps we won't wast another $500B in a futile effort to get out of a problem we created by borrowing and spending by more borrowing and spending.

 

ARTHUR

11:21 AM ET

December 10, 2008

Dan, you need to correct the

Dan, you need to correct the title. Clearly Linda Hirshman *does* read this blog.

 

SUBSUNK

3:14 PM ET

December 10, 2008

Ms. Hirshman, It appears

Ms. Hirshman,

It appears that you are the incorrect party. Whether your op ed uses facts of your own, or government facts from a limited period of the recession to justify your case, the figures you just posted here give lie to any supposed truth that women and men are losing their jobs at the same rate.

This recession is about country and jobs, not gender. Women do currently have an easier time acquiring a job, and the reasons for disparity in wages are totally due to the fact that more men get educations to compete in higher paying industries, and pursue careers in which their skills and brawn are more valued over women's. That is the market place. If women want the same pay, they need to be interested in the same careers...construction, engineering, law, medical at the high ends of the scale. Science and Math have to be their strong suits. Not Finance and Administration.

A career in a "line" profession instead of a "staff" profession is required to make the big bucks. Management skill and Leadership are required. And you don't get that by being female or male. You get that by making harder decisions and cutting to the bottom line quicker and more ruthlessly than your peers.

Action, not feelings makes for a successful manager. Men have been indoctrinated and socialized to hide their feelings. Women are socialized to show theirs. I hope Mr. Obama can act as well as he (and you) can emote.

Subsunk

 

ANDREW M

3:50 PM ET

December 10, 2008

Ms Hirshman claims that

Ms Hirshman claims that "there are almost no women on [Obama's] road to recovery". And she thinks this is wrong, because women as well as men have suffered unemployment.

Fair enough, perhaps. But what percentage of the new jobs should be aimed at women? To answer this question it is surely necessary to look at the relative impact of unemployment on men and women over the whole of the downturn. But Ms Hirshman's statistics concern only September to November of 2008, ignoring the period from December 2007, when the downturn started, to August 2008. So her statistics are in principle incapable of supporting her intended conclusion. She needs more evidence.

 

BILL C.

5:02 PM ET

December 10, 2008

The NYT is a misandristic

The NYT is a misandristic cesspool. Linda Hirshman's article is typical of the thin feminist whine they publish, while ignoring truly stark gender injustices.

 

BENJAMINL

1:53 AM ET

December 11, 2008

"Opinion pieces in the Times

"Opinion pieces in the Times exist to intone the shibboleths of, and spread comfort to, the Times’s cocoon of preferred Manhattan readers. No more, no less; it’s comfort food for the undiscerning intellectual appetite."

Well put, Sir!

I completely agree.

Sorry for hijacking the discussion, but I would like someone to start an intelligent discussion on who at the NYT is absolutely the worst in this regard. Nominees include:

Frank Rich
Bob Herbert
Judith Warner

My money is on Warner. (I actually like Dowd, Krugman, Brooks and Friedman.)

 

WILLIAM LEITOLD

5:52 AM ET

December 11, 2008

I'm a male social worker.

I'm a male social worker. I'm intrested in treating all people equally. I do not prefer to live in a society in which we all become more divided from each other. I believe that basing social benefits upon group identities particularly as public policy increases social alienation and reduces social cohesion. I am opposed to such policy since I believe that the social costs outweigh the social justice gained. I am strongly in favor of correcting issues of employment discrimination through vigorous enforcement of our existing laws.

 

BALOK

2:12 PM ET

December 11, 2008

"Stepping back..." - yes, but

"Stepping back..." - yes, but of course you're a man so it's unlikely you have the sensitivity required to truly understand the real nature of the economic crisis, Dan. Her responses beg a hypothetical: if you could reverse the economic downturn but in doing so it meant favoring one sex over another, would you do it? Guess not. Too bad combat is a male domain 'cause maybe like last time war will be the only way out of this.

 

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