Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 2:41 AM
I've been trying not to wade into The Israel Lobby waters, but this argument from Stephen Walt about why the book was panned in the United States caught me short:
Douthat is correct that the mainstream reviews of the book [in the United States] were mostly negative, which is hardly surprising if one looks at who was chosen (or agreed) to review it. Given the hot water that Zbigniew Brzezinski got into when he said a few nice things about our original article, one can understand why people who liked the book might have been reluctant to say so in print.
In fact, the pattern of reviews does allow for an admittedly crude test of one of our arguments. We showed that people who criticize Israeli policy or the influence of the Israel lobby are virtually certain to face a firestorm of criticism and personal attacks in the United States. This is partly because such tactics are part of the standard MO for some key actors in the lobby, but also because mainstream media in the United States have tended to be protective of Israel in the past (this may be changing somewhat now). If we are right, one would expect mainstream reviews of our book in the United States to be negative, but reviews elsewhere should be more favorable. And that proved to be the case.
Let's label the above explanation the Cliff Poncier Hypothesis. This certainly could be one explanation for why The Israel Lobby got panned in the United States. To be sure, some of the reviews didn't seem to understand how political science works.
Just for the sake of argument, however, I can think of at least two other possible explanations for this particular distribution of reviews:
I'll let the readers be the judge of which hypothesis best explains the pattern of reviews.
J Thomas- The Israel Lobby must have a lot of influence because the experts don't say it has a lot of influence? That's illogical.
Should this have been a book written by Americanists?
American political science has four categories: political theory, comparative politics, American politics and international relations. How lobbies work is a topic, within American political science, handled by Americanists. How nations relate is a topic, within American political science, handled by those who study international relations. Mearsheimer and Walt study the last of those four. But their book deals with the second-to-last of the four. Basically, their book was on a topic that was not their core competency.
Apologies if my comment was what DD said in his Chron Higher Ed article. I don't have access to it.
Of course, a big question this raises is why hasn't there been similar scholarship on other far more powerful foreign lobbies, such as the European lobby, which, among other things, has managed to convince the US that we should still pay for their defense, over 60 years after we paid to rebuild the place (and one can make similar arguments; that our relationship with Russia would improve just like our relationship with the Muslim world would improve...).
Try suggesting that we should reject the influence of the European lobby, and bring our troops and money spent there home, and see how far that gets you...probably even less far than the work on the Israeli lobby.
J Thomas, no it's still illogical- you can't use the fact no one complains about an all powerful Israeli lobby as evidence that one exists.
J Thomas- You suggested that there's the Israel Lobby is extremely powerful or at least "worthy of study." Your evidence is that no expert calls them super powerful. That's a logical fallacy. You can't prove your point wrong. If the experts disagree with you, they're lying.
J Thomas- So now it's self-evident there's an Israeli Lobby! Well, that isn't logical, now is it? Of course lobbying groups will tell you have a lot influence on policy, that's how they make their money. And while Zionism is certainly strong in this country, that was true before any PACs started to show up. It's more like America has an Israeli bias than the goverment has an Israeli bias because of some lobbying group.
If you aren't willing to back up what you say, maybe you shouldn't say it in the first place. I don't care one way or the other when it comes to Israel, I do care when people make stupid, illogical arguments while acting like they're unquestionable. Oh, ad hominem attacks don't help your position, just for your information.
Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.
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