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Barack Obama's first formal television interview was released today -- with Al-Arabiya

The president sat for the interview, at the White House, moments after officially dispatching George J. Mitchell, his special envoy for Middle East peace, to the region last evening.

"All too often the United States starts by dictating -- in the past on some of these issues -- and we don't always know all the factors that are involved," Obama told al-Arabiya. "So let's listen. He's going to be speaking to all the major parties involved. And he will then report back to me. From there we will formulate a specific response."

Marc Lynch does an excellent job of analyzing this move and its implications. 

This is one confirmation of David Rothkopf's observation that, "foreign policy in the Obama years will be run out of the White House."

I have no idea whether this will have any effect on the region.  Andrew Sullivan supplies one hopeful data point, but if you read the comment thread on the YouTube clip of the interview... well, it's less encouraging. 

Developing....

 

DATROY

7:38 PM ET

January 27, 2009

As I mentioned on Marc's

As I mentioned on Marc's blog, public diplomacy is not sitting around talking about feelings. From this interview, you'd think AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc are operating in a vacuum with no public support. He said we'd fight terrorists, but where was the challenege to the millions who support the terrorists (until they get hit by the terrorism, of course)? And how about challenging some of the governments in the region? As a commenter said at Marc's blog, challenge the Arab League for their support of Sudan in Darfur.

I don't think its bad he went on, but he missed a major opportunity to make this new relationship go both ways.

 

SAM

11:26 PM ET

January 27, 2009

a simple question

Prof. Drezner, how Mitchell's trip to the Middle East will be successful if he does have no plans to talk to Hamas? how can you be a peace broker between two parties if you don't talk to one side?

 

STEVEMG

3:15 AM ET

January 28, 2009

Ideals and Security? So much for that promise...

From what I can tell, not one mention of human rights or democracy in the Islamic/Arab world. Indeed, if these terror regimes simply "unclench their fists", we'll be nice to them.

If they shoot and oppress their people, well never mind. Just be nice with us, please.

Realism, indeed.

And yet the President said in his inaugural address that we would not "abandon our ideals for security."

That he is getting away with this without critical questioning from the press amazes me.

But not really.

 

THREETREES

6:55 AM ET

January 28, 2009

Style vs. Substance

Seems to be excitement over style rather than substance. Not that I'm saying there won't be substance coming, but it's rather premature to be so giggly at this point.

Oh, and in that "analysis": "eight years of the Bush administration have left a heavy toll on America's reputation and credibility." What kind of toll have 40 years of plane hijackings, suicide bombings, and rocket attacks taken on Palestinian reputation and credibility?

 

ILYA LOZOVSKY

12:59 PM ET

January 28, 2009

Reputation

After eight years of Bush, whose brash go-it-alone attitude often got in the way even of his laudable foreign policy goals, a change of style is exactly what many people have been hoping and praying for.

The substance will come. The early assignment of George Mitchell and his rapid dispatch to the Middle East is already a sign of a considerably different policy towards the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

We should only welcome the "style" of a president who is careful to note that we (once again) have the ability to distinguish between those who we disagree with and those who want to kill us.

As for your last comment about the Palestinians - it's a complete non-sequiteur. Regardless of what kind of reputation the Palestinians enjoy, wouldn't you agree that Bush has heavily damaged the United States' reputation during the past 8 years?

Since when do we judge ourselves by the standards of those who hijack planes and commit suicide bombings?

As a country that strives to embody the highest ideals -- indeed, to deploy them for our benefit across the world -- one would hope that we would care about our reputation regardless of the reputation of anyone else. Both for moral and for practical reasons.

 

THREETREES

8:20 AM ET

January 29, 2009

Reputation and Context

I am definitely not saying that the U.S. is allowed bad conduct because its enemies are bad (not that I think there has been an equivalence). First of all, my comment on Palestinians was not related to the Obama story or even to much of the Marc Lynch post, except that his comment on U.S. reputation and credibility reminded me that very often the U.S. reputation is brought up when people are trying to "explain" things like suicide bombings. Yet I also often see people write about, for example, the Israeli blockade or the separation barriers without taking into account those suicide bombings or rocket attacks. It's like the Israelis do these things just for the hell of it. So when I read something about "reputation and credibility", and the U.S. is the only party mentioned, I just think something is askew. I would hope that anyone that would be down on the U.S. because of the last eight years would be even more down on Palestinians (at least their "leaders") for the last forty. Unfortunately, I don't get that feeling.

 

STEVEMG

10:00 PM ET

January 28, 2009

Since when do we judge

Since when do we judge ourselves by the standards of those who hijack planes and commit suicide bombings?

Well, why should we be concerned about the opinions of us by those countries or peoples who suppress minorities, kill gays or religious minorities, abuse children, and imprison dissenters?

I understand the general need for "a decent respect for the opinions of mankind." But there are some opinions and some parts of mankind that are unworthy of our concern. After all, we're not really concerned whether Islamic nations believe our policies on gay Americans are immoral, do we?

 

BKAPLOVITZ

6:04 PM ET

January 28, 2009

Dancing Among Landmines—The Obama Al-Arabiya Interview

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From "Works And Days" Weblog
January 27, 2009

Dancing Among Landmines—The Obama Al-Arabiya Interview

Posted By Victor Davis Hanson

President Barack Obama is being praised for choosing an Arabic TV network for his first formal television interview on the Dubai-based, Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya news channel. I think we can all appreciate the thinking behind such bold outreach, given that the media at home has chortled to the world that our new guy’s unusual background, in sort of Zen-fashion, has befuddled the radical Islamic movement.

The subtext of our satisfaction has been that Obama—African-American, son of a Muslim father, erstwhile resident of Muslim Indochina, with Hussein as his middle name—makes it far harder for the Arab Islamic world to typecast America unfairly as the Great Satan than would be true in the case of an evangelical, Texas-drawling, hard-core conservative Chief Executive like good ‘ole boy George Bush.

True enough, no doubt.

But triangulation is a touchy art and it takes the genius of a Dick Morris cum soulless Bill Clinton to pull off such disingenuousness. In less experienced hands it can be explosive and turn on its user. And Obama will soon learn the dangerous game he is playing. Consider:

1) When abroad it is not wise to criticize your own country and praise the antithetical world view of another—
especially if yours is a democratic republic and the alternative is a theocratic monarchy that has a less than liberal record on human rights, treatment of women and homosexuals, and tolerance for religious plurality.

But here’s what Obama said:

“… All too often the United States starts by dictating…in the past on some of these issues…and we don’t always know all the factors that are involved. So let’s listen…Well, here’s what I think is important. Look at the proposal that was put forth by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia…I might not agree with every aspect of the proposal, but it took great courage…to put forward something that is as significant as that. I think that there are ideas across the region of how we might pursue peace.”

The end, if unintended, result is that the Saudi King comes across as courageous, while the U.S. President and State Department (e.g., “the United States”) are portrayed as dictatorial-like (“dictating”) in the region.

2) An unspoken rule of American statesmanship is not to be overtly partisan abroad. And in Obama’s case it is high time to arrest the campaign mode, cease the implied “Bush did it” (which ipso facto has a short shelf life), and begin dealing with the world as it is, rather than the world you feel was unfairly presented to you by someone more blameworthy in the past. But again consider:

“But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there’s no reason why we can’t restore that. And that I think is going to be an important task… And so what we want to do is to listen, set aside some of the preconceptions that have existed and have built up over the last several years. And I think if we do that, then there’s a possibility at least of achieving some breakthroughs… but I think that what you’ll see is somebody who is listening, who is respectful, and who is trying to promote the interests not just of the United States, but also ordinary people who right now are suffering from poverty and a lack of opportunity. I want to make sure that I’m speaking to them, as well.”

Perhaps. But once again, the impression comes across as ‘past America bad /present and future America good.’ (Even the senior George Bush learned that lesson at home with his serial “kinder, gentler nation” [e.g., kinder than what?]). And nothing is offered here (other than our lack of a colonial past) about the actual impressive record: amazing American good will in saving Kuwait, objecting to the Kuwaiti deportations of thousands of Palestinians, speaking out against Russia on behalf of the Chechens, trying to save the Somalis, bombing a Christian European Serbia to save the Kosovar and Bosnian Muslims, helping the Afghans against the Soviets, removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and trying to invest a $1 trillion in fostering democracy in their places, billions in disease relief for black (and often Muslim) Africa, timely help to the Muslim victims of the tsunami, and liberal immigration laws that welcome in millions of Arabs and/or Muslims. I could go on but you get the picture left out that America, far better than China, Russia, or Europe, has been quite friendly to the Muslim world.

Instead the supposition is that somehow the culpability is largely ours—and therefore ours to rectify. In fact, the widespread hatred in the Islamic world, manifested, and sometime applauded, on September 11, was largely a result of the failures of indigenous autocracy—whether in the past Pan-Arabist, Baathist, theocratic and Islamic, Nasserite, or pro-Soviet statism.

Such repression and failed economic policies, coupled with the sudden ability of a long-suffering populace in a globalized world to fathom that things were bad in the Middle East but no so bad elsewhere, led to growing anger and frustration. That state megaphones (in a devil’s bargain with radical Islamists) preached that the real culprit of general Muslim misery was neither Islamic terrorism nor state dictators nor gender apartheid nor religious intolerance nor state-run economies, but solely the fault of America and the Jews hardly helped.

We should also remember that the Bush record was often quite good: we have not been hit in over seven years; Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation was stopped; Libya gave up its nuclear program; Syria is out of Lebanon; Hamas and Hezbollah have suffered a great deal of damage as a result of their aggressions; there are constitutional governments at work in place of the Taliban and Saddam; the leadership of al Qaeda is scattered and depleted and its brand is diminished in Iraq. The fact that Middle East authoritarian governments might not like all of that; or that radical Muslims find this disturbing; or even that the spokesmen for the unfree populations of the Arab world object—simply does not change the truth. I wish President Obama better appreciated that simple fact, because he surely is a beneficiary of it.

3). Beware of the dangerous two-step. For nearly two years the unspoken rule of the campaign (ask former Senator Bob Kerry or Hillary Clinton herself or talk-show host Bill Cunningham) was that mentioning Obama’s Muslim ancestry was taboo. It was illiberal to evoke his Muslim-sounding name or his Indonesian ancestry, as if one were deliberately trying to suggest his multicultural fides made him less appealing to the square majority in America. But Obama apparently himself is immune to such prohibitions—at least abroad. If he appreciates the off-limits landscape at home, overseas it is suddenly to be showcased to reemphasize his global, multicultural and less parochial credentials. E.g., it comes off as something like: ‘between you and me—typical Americans could not relate to you the way I can—even though back in America to even suggest that I am not typical is sometimes the greatest of sins—albeit in the manner I adjudicate.’ Consider again:

“Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world, that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries…The largest one, Indonesia. And so what I want to communicate is the fact that in all my travels throughout the Muslim world, what I’ve come to understand is that regardless of your faith — and America is a country of Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers — regardless of your faith, people all have certain common hopes and common dreams.”

4) At some point, soaring rhetoric makes banality the harder to accept. For all the talking about path- breaking new/old envoy George Mitchell, and the new President’s background, and the novel sensitivity, Obama offered nothing new on the Middle East and Iran, because (1) there is very little new to be offered; and (2) George Bush, apart from the caricatures, was by 2004 about as multilateral as one can be; consider the Quartet, the EU3, the UN efforts at international disarmament with Iran, the use of NATO forces in Afghanistan, the Coalition in Iraq, the efforts to promote constitutional government in the Middle East, and on and on.

There is a danger here that Obama’s hope and change on the Middle East will start to resemble his hope and change on new governance in Washington: utopian promises about absolutely new ethics, followed by the same old, same old as exemplified by the ethical problems encountered by Geithner, Holder, Lynn, Richardson—and by extension Blago, Dodd, Frank, and Rangel. Again, saintly rhetoric only highlights earthly behavior.

I am glad Obama confounds the radical and hostile Islamic world, if it is in fact true that he does. But we are witnessing a delicate balancing act in which he seems to be saying to us “I am best representing you by distancing myself from you and your past”.

Again, that may well work, but also in time may prove not to be what Americans thought they were voting for. So a final Neanderthal thought: some of us would like our President in calm, polite and diplomatic tones to emphasize the past positive Middle East work of his predecessor Presidents Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. He should make the case that the United States has tried hard and will try hard again to promote peace in the Middle East, but that certain fundamental facts make that awfully difficult, and often are beyond our control, resting largely in the decisions that others make for themselves—and the inevitable reactions that will follow from a liberal democracy like our own, faced with clear signs of religious intolerance, illiberality, violent aggression, and complicity in the promotion of terror as a political means. In other words, I think Syria, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Pakistan—and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and others—know exactly what are they doing and thus the problems that arise between us transcend occasional and unfortunate smoke ‘em out/bring ‘em on lingo.

Just a modest thought.

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STEVEMG

2:53 AM ET

January 29, 2009

Back to the Future

Fouad Ajami noted re President Obama's interview that:

George W. Bush [w]as a force for emancipation in Muslim lands, and Barack Hussein Obama [i]s a messenger of the old, settled ways. Thus the “parochial” man takes abroad a message that Muslims and Arabs did not have tyranny in their DNA, and the man with Muslim and Kenyan and Indonesian fragments in his very life and identity is signaling an acceptance of the established order.

President Obama wants to go back to our policies of supporting dictatorships and repressive regimes. Disguised as realism or "smart power."

As long as the regimes don't attack us.

That's a complete repudiation of his claim that we will not "abandon our ideals for our security."

Because that's exactly what he is doing. And unlike Bush who was forced to pull back on democracy promotion because he had no political capital to use, Obama apparently wants to abandon it because the US must not "dictate" to others and, instead, be more humble to the world. Yes, there's a big difference between giving up democracy promotion because you have to versus jettisoning the project because you don't believe in it.

With the limits of our power, I can understand why we must do this. In fact, I'll probably agree with most of it. But let's not kid ourselves as to what is happening: President Obama is abandoning democracy promotion and human rights concerns in return for our security.

Amoral realism.

I'm not sure that this will enhance our security in the long run anyway. After all, Muslims and Arabs probably don't like being waterboarded whether done by Americans or by the security forces of their own countries.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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