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In his Newsweek column, Fareed Zakaria proposes eliminating the Depression analogy to describe our current situation: 

Over the last six months, the doomsday industry has moved into high gear. Economists and business pundits are competing with each other to describe the next Great Depression. Except that the world we live in bears little resemblance to the 1930s. There is much greater and more widespread wealth in Western societies, with middle classes that can withstand job losses in ways that they could not in the 1930s. Bear in mind, unemployment in the non-farm sector in America rose to 37 percent in the 1930s. Unemployment in the United States today is 8.9 percent. And government benefits—nonexistent in the '30s—play a vast role in cushioning the blow from an economic slowdown.

The biggest difference between the 1930s and today, however, lies in the human response. Governments across the world have reacted with amazing speed and scale, lowering interest rates, recapitalizing banks and budgeting for large government expenditures. In total, all the various fiscal--stimulus packages amount to something in the range of $2 trillion. Central banks—mainly the Federal Reserve—have pumped in much larger amounts of cash into the economy. While we debate the intricacies of each and every move—is the TALF well -structured?—the basic reality is that governments have thrown everything but the kitchen sink at this problem and, taking into account the inevitable time lag, their actions are already taking effect. That does not mean a painless recovery or a return to robust growth. But it does mean that we should retire the analogies to the Great Depression, when policymakers—especially central banks—did everything wrong.

I really, really want Zakaria to be correct here.  And I'm not covinced that he's necessarily wrong -- these are probabilistic calls.  That said, there are a few things that worry me about his logic.

The big question is whether and how much learning has actually taken place in the world.  Zakaria asserts that policymakers have learned their lessons from the Great Depression and won't do the things that are so stupid that they exacerbate a serious downturn into something worse. 

Well... maybe.  This proposition makes three pretty big assumptions.  The first is that the measures that have been thrown at the downturn to date actually help to arrest the fall and spur growth.  One certainly hopes that this is correct, but given the current state of the financial sector, that's far from a forgone conclusion. 

Second, it presumes that central bankers will be able to know roughly when it is time to clamp down on easy credit without triggering either double-digit inflation or a a double-dip depression.  Here I am much less sanguine.  This is no slight against Ben Bernanke, Jean-Claude Trichet, or Zhou Xiaochuan, all of whom are Way Smarter Than I Am.  It's just that no central banker has really mastered this kind of maneuver. 

Third, the mistakes of the past are not the only kind that worry me.  Never underestimate the ability of policymakers to devise completely new and novel ways of screwing things up. 

One final note.  Zakaria commits a sin I've seen a lot recently, which is to compare the state of the U.S. economy during the absolute depths of the Depression with its current state.  If you do this, then Zakaria's right -- we're nowhere near as bad off as we were then.  But I'm not sure this is the fair comparison.  If you compare how the U.S. looks at the beginning of the great depression with how we're doing now, the comparison looks more apt.  And if we head into double-dip territory, then we're looking at several years of low to negative growth. 

If we have multiple years of flat or negative growth, then I truly do think all bets are off.  The more desperate the situation looks, the more likely policymakers will revisit ideas that might seem stupid now -- rank protectionism, beggar-thy-neighbor inflation -- but won't seem so stupid in the future. 

 
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KENNETH SORENSEN

5:42 AM ET

May 20, 2009

You can expect several years of flat or negative growth

This is the natural order of things. It's kind of 'natures law' that booms gets interchanged with busts.

Alan Greenspan lowered the interest rates way too much in the wake of the 9/11 attacks -- because he comes from that City that more than any other place on Earth is so detached to how 98 % of the rest of the World lives [and which the terrorists wanted to destroy/give a wake-up call to].

Did the Americans receive the Wake-up call? I have infinite trust in the wisdom of the American people, and some of their finest representatives -- like Stephen M. Walt and John J. Mearsheimer undoubtlely got it, but the small sectarian caste that rules America did not/did not want to get it. Because they have ties to only one side in the Middle East Conflict.

They embarked with the same kind of Hybris that also the Jewish colony at the shores of the Mediterranean are renowned for. The Nemesis are know coming back to haunt them -- and in effect the whole World. And think of all those former house-owners in the US and elsewhere, who have lost their homes due to the bust of the price-bubble, which was inflated because of too low interest rates, and because the ruling elite in America refuses to investigate why 9/11 had happened [and if their might be a problem with US policies there], and instead carried on regardless.

It is obvious then, than instead of a normal recession, this one is going to be prolonged and severe. If it isn't, then sure as hell the next will be. Because the system needs to get back to balance.

 

BRETT

5:47 AM ET

May 20, 2009

Good point about the bad

Good point about the bad Fareed Zakaria comparison. Not that I'm surprised it's coming from him; Zakaria is like a political-academic weatherwane, reflecting a kind of consensus that takes place from time to time. Remember when he was talking about the "Rise of the Rest", after about, what fourteen million other academics had talked about it?

 

APARICIO

5:06 PM ET

May 20, 2009

policy makers learn, but electors and lobbist don´t.

I really think american policy makers are aware that they cannot watch the sky falling appart and do nothing. Zakaria is right on that. Another thing, I do not think that we are in a Deppression, but in back-to-reality situation, and it will not improve to the "normal levels" because the entire world was living way ahead of its possibilities. So now house cost what they are suppose to cost, and (as it was in the old times) if you wanted a nice big house you may have to work hard for ten years or so and make "real money" to buy it. So, what the policy makers had done is making this "back to reality" way less traumatic.

BUT, the problem is people do not think like that, they take the-before-the-crisis-status quo-of-easy-money as a given right, and they will vote for whoever tells them that recovering paradise is possible, though even if that means to beggar-thy-neighbor. People wants to cut the head of the top executives of Wall Street, but do not want to accept the fact that the illussion of prosperity we lived during recent years was partially a consequence of a bank manager "inventing" money, and lending it to us, to see a juicy mega bonus at the end of the year.

And also we got the lobbists, who prettymuch do not care and would be the pressuring to profit from protection (as they did on 1929 to push for Smoot-Hawley act). Other thing: NEW DEAL DID NOT CAUSE RECOVERY, IT ONLY STOPPED THE MELTDOWN. ECONOMIC RECOVERY ONLY CAME DURING AND AFTER WII. So, do we want another war to make the weels of economy roll back to the illussion of prosperity?

 

KXB

4:46 PM ET

May 20, 2009

Developing world perspective

Keep in mind, growing up in India, Zakaria saw how bad things could really be. Yes, it is awful to be saddled with debt and fall behind on one's bills. But in India, you see real poverty, not the, "Gee, I won't be able to eat out that often" sort of poverty in the U.S. While Zakaria's family grew up comfortably in the Malabar Hills section of Bombay, the rich cannot escape the sight of the poor in India. It is this perspective that might be influencing Zakaria's anti-Cassandra columns.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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