The following is not rocket science, but rather International Relations 101. Still, I hadn't seen it anywhere else, so here goes:

The parallels between ongoing events in Honduras and Iran are surprisingly strong, and it's worth thinking about them for a spell.

In both countries, conservative elements of the established regime conducted what was, essentially, a coup d'etat. In both cases, the coup-plotters used both legal and extralegal means to cement their hold on power. These actions have triggered mass demonstrations in the streets of Tehran and Tegucigalpa. Both governments are rather paranoid about external influence on their regime. And, in some domestic politics version of the security dilemma (I hereby label this the "sovereignty dilemma"), that paranoia about external meddling is merely fuelling greater international attention to their domestic affairs of state.

Now, what are the differences? They boil down to a few important distinctions:

  • Iran is much, much more powerful than Honduras.
  • Honduras possesses much less strategic significance than Iran.

What does this mean? It means that realist and liberal logics will work together in Honduras and against each other in Iran. The Organization of American States could never reverse a regime change in, say, Brazil -- but multilateral coordination will have an effect on Honduras. Indeed, the fact that Honduras is relatively small is what makes it easy for the OAS to muster some consnsus on the issue. Furthermore, in contrast to larger countries, the effect of multilateral sanctions on Honduras would be pretty significant.

In Iran, on the other hand, conflicting strategic interests prevent any kind of great power concert that could push for domestic change. It's also far from clear whether anything short of a gasoline embargo would really have an appreciable impact on the regime in Tehran.

So, holding everything else constant, the odds are that the coup in Honduras are more likely to be reversed than the coup in Iran.

Bear in mind, however, that life never holds everything else constant.

 
Facebook|Twitter|Reddit

ZJIN

1:41 PM ET

July 6, 2009

I do not think the gasoline

I do not think the gasoline embargo will work in the future. Iran is building its own refining facilities now. In a foreseeable future, Iran could become self -sufficiency in gasoline.

 

BLUE13326

6:18 PM ET

July 6, 2009

Maybe you should go back and

Maybe you should go back and spend some more time on vacation, because this post is as vapid as a Prom Queen's acceptance speech.

 

THECARDINAL

8:40 PM ET

July 6, 2009

Honduras is kinda complicated

In no way do I condone the actions of the military in Honduras but there is a whole lot of gray in the coup there. Despite a Supreme Court order for a vote not to go on for the Sunday of his overthrow the President recovered the ballots by force. This after Zelaya had fired the head of the armed forces for refusing to follow his orders and ignore the SC. I am not certain that there has been a President of the US that has so openly flouted an SC decision since Andrew Jackson.

A law breaking president would normally be impeached yet there is no provision in the Honduran constitution for this. The Supreme Court along with the Congress then ordered Zelaya arrested. I suppose what they should have done is arrested him as ordered and then placed him in jail. Nonetheless obviously the whole matter was rushed and the use of the military clumsy. They should have taken the deal that he step down at the end of the term and just get this over with.

All I am saying is that there is little comparison with a bunch of Mullahs telling the Iranian people who they can or cannot vote for and then telling them that even from that really narrow list they can only come up with one winner. The Honduran Congress was elected just like Zelaya - all of them, even the members of his own party saw fit to get rid of him. That they used extra-constitutional means to do so is reprehensible but their motives are understandable.

 

DANIEL W. DREZNER

10:11 PM ET

July 6, 2009

Excellent reply

You're right, I'm simplifying a bit.
 

SETH EDENBAUM

2:25 AM ET

July 7, 2009

Complicated? yes and no

http://rebelreports.com/post/133319827/why-president-zelayas-actions-in-honduras-were-legal.

 

EDUARDO MCFIELD

3:14 AM ET

July 7, 2009

the truth about Honduras law

An interesting, but very limited understanding of the 'rule of law' and CONSTITUTION of Honduras.

Article 239 states: “No citizen that has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or PROPOSES its reform as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will IMMEDIATELY cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10 years."

The constitution is clear: The punishment for PROPOSING to reform this article is 'cease in their function'. So President Zelaya disqualified himself. The constitution also states that the consequences are IMMEDIATE: No drawn out court hearing/impeachment process necessary. The supreme court ordered law enforcement (yes, the military are considered law enforcement in Honduras) to apprehend someone that had committed 'constitutional crime'. The deposing is CONSTITUTIONAL.

What is not constitutional, is that an Honduran citizen was expatriated. But this 'secondary' decision, does not render invalid the first decision, to depose a president, who by virtue of his own actions, had already disqualified himself as president.

 

BAMALLM

12:42 PM ET

July 7, 2009

The similarities also pointed to clear hypocricies

I was struck by the similarity of the two situations and thought it was noteworthy how differently our domestic politicians responded. McCain, though resisting the urge to sing about it, was gloating at the chance to remind us all how he would have acted bombastically in terms of the Iranian election protests as if he is truly one to stand with the people of Iran. The public response to the Honduran struggle elicits no such support revealing the hypocrisy and shallowness of McCain's criticism of the Obama administration's policy toward Iran.

 

SETH EDENBAUM

1:36 PM ET

July 7, 2009

The survey question:

"Do you agree to install a fourth ballot box in the November 2009 general elections to decide on calling a National Constituent Assembly that would approve a new constitution?"

From my link:

President Zelaya intended to perform a non-binding public consultation, about the conformation of an elected National Constituent Assembly. To do this, he invoked article 5 of the Honduran “Civil Participation Act” of 2006. According to this act, all public functionaries can perform non-binding public consultations to inquire what the population thinks about policy measures. This act was approved by the National Congress and it was not contested by the Supreme Court of Justice, when it was published in the Official Paper of 2006.

What seems complicated are the politics, on all sides.

 

BENJAMIN GEDAN

1:39 PM ET

July 7, 2009

Preserving democratic gains

Another key difference is that Iran is a dictatorship, and its elections are farcical. The presidential candidates are vetted by unelected theocrats, who have the power to shape and veto the president's decisions. Honduras, on the other hand, had built a relatively robust democracy, part of a trend that saw democracies replace Cold War military dictatorships in every country in Latin America except Cuba.

It is the desire to prevent a reversal of that regional process (along with the ease of bullying Honduras that you cite and the low stakes, geopolitically speaking, of the conflict) that has mobilized governments to pressure the new Honduran administration.

 

SETH EDENBAUM

3:44 PM ET

July 7, 2009

FP: The Least Free Places on Earth

Iran isn't on the list. Saudi Arabia is. And we support Egypt which is less democratic than Iran by far. And the occupied territories are just that, so we can say that for many of those living under Israeli 'governance' that governance takes the form of a military dictatorship.

Any more questions?

 

RAMSIS

9:16 PM ET

July 7, 2009

Hondurans deserve better than castro and chavez!

If Obama meddles in Honduras and it results in the reinsatement of Manuel Zelaya, this will go down as one of the greatest tragedies of latin america. Zelaya violated Honduras's constitution and blatantly defied the Honduras supreme court. This was not a military coup d'etat as you and this administration would like us all to believe the military was acting on the orders of the supreme court. Instead it was a sovereign nation rejecting the left wing radicals first step attempt to eventually rule for life. He also is accused of 18 alleged criminal acts, including treason and failing to implement more than 80 laws approved by Congress since he took office in 2006.
The Iranian situation is completely different and has little in common with what happened in Honduras.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

Read More