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Following up on the Tom Coburn saga, Patricia Cohen has a round-up in the New York Times about whether the study of political science contributes to the public good.  Some excerpts: 

Much of the political science work financed by the National Science Foundation is both rigorous and valuable, said Jeffrey C. Isaac, a professor at Indiana University in Bloomington, where one new winner of the Nobel in economic science, the political scientist Elinor Ostrom, teaches. “But we’re kidding ourselves if we think this research typically has the obvious public benefit we claim for it,” he said. “We political scientists can and should do a better job of making the public relevance of our work clearer and of doing more relevant work.”

Mr. Isaac is the editor of Perspectives on Politics, a journal that was created by the field’s professional organization to bridge the divide after a group of political scientists led a revolt against the growing influence of statistical methods and mathematics-based models in the discipline. In 2000 an anonymous political scientist who called himself Mr. Perestroika roused scores of colleagues to protest the organization, the American Political Science Association, and its flagship journal, The American Political Science Review, arguing that the two were marginalizing scholars who focused on traditional research based on history, culture and archives.

Though there is still jockeying over jobs, power and prestige — particularly in an era of shrinking budgets — much of that animus has quieted, and most political scientists agree that a wide range of approaches makes sense.

What remains, though, is a nagging concern that the field is not producing work that matters. “The danger is that political science is moving in the direction of saying more and more about less and less,” said Joseph Nye, a professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, whose work has been particularly influential among American policy makers. “There are parts of the academy which, in the effort to be scientific, feel we should stay away from policy,” Mr. Nye said, that “it interferes with the science.”

In his view statistical techniques too often determine what kind of research political scientists do, pushing them further into narrow specializations cut off from real-world concerns. The motivation to be precise, Mr. Nye warned, has overtaken the impulse to be relevant.

[Full disclosure:  I'm not now on the editorial board of Perspectives on Politics, and therefore am obligated to link to Isaac's Chronicle of Higher Education essay on this topic.]

Coburn's focus has been on the past ten years, and I think the biggest irony of that focus is that, compared to a decade ago, there's more policy-relevant research and less paradigmatic navel-gazing. 

[Got any hard evidence, smart guy?--ed.]  This is very tough to measure (if only we had an NSF grant!), but consider the following:

I'm planning on posting why I think political sciece is in better shape than it was a decade ago later in the week.  But for now, a question to readers:  are these examples persuasive, or do you need to see more evidence? 

 

GRANT

3:55 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Interesting comment,

Interesting comment, certainly I feel that political studies (particularly international) have grown more popular. I would require more information such as journals published, the role political scientists in the government, and the view they are given by elected leaders. However it is hard to comment on your links when at least one* requires a subscription.

*I am referring to the military/political scientists one.

 

OREN

7:57 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Political science, relevance, NSF

I think it is probably correct that there's somewhat more policy relevant research in political science today than a decade ago. It is also true that some leading political scientists have made substantial efforts to get involved in the public arena (for example, Mearsheimer and Walt, Putnam, Drezner, other bloggers affiliated with the profession). But citing this fact does not effectively address Sen. Coburn's complaint that political science has not contributed nearly as much to the world as have physics or chemistry. Sen. Coburn implicity raises the question: has political science given us anything remotely as useful as the X-Ray machine (invented by the recipient of the first Physics nobel prize in 1901), fiber optics (the 2009 physics prize), aspirin pills, bridges, airplanes or many other testimonies to the prowess of the natural sciences? To say that political scientists are influencing public debates on foreign or domestic policy is not quite the same as to say that political science as a discipline is as useful as the natural science disciplines supported by the NSF.

 

DANIEL W. DREZNER

8:19 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Let me turn the question around...

The issue of NSF funding -- or government funding more generally -- is whether the allocation of resources is optimal. The NSF already funds the natural sciences by several orders of magnitude more than political science.

Here is the question: would the $9 million devoted to funding reserarch in political science be better used as additional funding for other specialties on top of what they already receive?

I think the answer is worthy of debate -- but I don't think your examples work terribly well. How many of the inventions you listed were developed with government funding?

 

OREN

9:38 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Inventions supported by the gov't

1. I agree that government support of political science is a drop in the bucket in comparison to natural science and medical research.

2. Whether or not the inventions I listed were funded by the government, the list of such inventions is awfully long. Examples include nuclear energy, rocket/satelite technology, and the very medium that allows us to communicate so efficiently here--the internet (didn't Al Gore invent the internet?:))

 

DANIEL W. DREZNER

11:54 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Length does not make your point

"Whether or not the inventions I listed were funded by the government, the list of such inventions is awfully long."

Hey, I can play that game too! Democracy, elections, alliances, civilian control of the military, civil service, enforcement of property rights, arms control treaties, and the World Trade Organization. Simply listing inventions doesn't support your argument.

Oh, and the Internet was created thanks to very generous government funding.

 

OREN

1:56 AM ET

October 21, 2009

Not sure I follow your logic

Dan, I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Are you implying that political science invented alliances? Civilian control of the military? The WTO?

I actually do believe that political science invents, or constructs, the objects it studies. Democracy is indeed a construction of political scientists (among others) as much as it is a thing to be merely "found" out there. The concept of "public opinion" is a construction of political scientists (among others) as much as public opinion is an object that they merely "discover" and measure. I suppose you could say the same for "alliances" or "civilian control." But if the political world is indeed partly a construction of the science of politics, how valid is the key presupposition of the currently dominant positivist orthodoxy in the profession, that is, the presupposition that subject and object are separate from each other?

 

BLUE13326

11:12 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Harvard took a $500m loss

Harvard took a $500m loss recently on a bad derivatives bet (instituted by Obama's economic advisor Larry Summers). If they can afford to make and lose on such bets, why can't they, and other institutions like them, make up this money instead of our tax dollars?

 

DANIEL W. DREZNER

11:50 PM ET

October 20, 2009

Harvard is one institution...

... and they traditionally do not fund the research of rival political science departments.

 

ANON_ANON

7:59 PM ET

October 20, 2009

hard to measure indeed

DD:

1) How do you think PoP measures as a transmission belt from the APSR to the masses?

2) How would one assess the impact political science is having on policy over time?

3) As an aside, I'm no sure political risk firms qualify - as the owner of one local affiliate of the EIU told me, a lot have one person covering about 30 countries (the EIU business model of outsourcing to local affiliates seems smarter).

 

ANON_ANON

8:01 PM ET

October 20, 2009

compare PoP to Jrnl Econ Perspectives

Didn't SM Walt say that PoP was supposed to be the equivalent of the Journal of Economic Perspectives?

Also, didn't he and Bruce Jentleson write some articles on policy relevance that might be worth reviewing for your esteemed audience?

Thanks

 

FLPTHNIKEL

10:40 AM ET

October 21, 2009

Political Science Training is a large part of the problem

As someone who has been on both sides of the equation, I have to say I agree with Sen. Coburn. Political science is useful, we definately shouldn't get rid of the field, but I am not sure it lives up to its utility with regards to NSF funding. From personal experience I would say large a part of this has to do with the way Political Science departments train and value new graduate level students, and thus have been creating (and promoting) the next generation of political scientists for the last 20 years.

I was asked to leave my graduate Poli. Sci. department because I "was not enhancing the reputation of the department by publishing articles in academic publications or presenting at conferences." When I explained that I could not undertake these activities as serving as the political director for the state Senate Majority leader didn't give me much free time and I figured it was a prestigious enough position for the department (of a public university) as we would soon be undertaking the budget hearings, I was told that my occupation did not meet the goals of the department. My public policy professor required all public policy evaluations to be done the same way, i.e. evaluating stakeholders, listing possible outcomes, etc. Every paper written had to be in the same form, with the same sections, with the same variables, with the same evaluations. I explained that as someone actually creating and implementing public policy, I had never seen any papers of these types when making decisions, it was always one-pagers or evaluations from think-tanks, or discussions with interest group or professional organizations. I said I appreciated learning the public policy process from the political science point of view, and it was a valuable point of view, but that perhaps more flexibility in presentation and evaluation would make the work more relevant to policy makers. The professor (and the department supporting him) said no, that this particular format and process had been decided within "the field" as the highest standard and unless it was done this way, "it was not science."

Another seminal momment for me was a survery (it might have been in FP, but my memory fails me) in January of this year asking Political Science professors what is the most worrying issue facing the world today. The schocking (and narcisistic) number one answer (to be fair it only had 18%) was that "we [political scientists] were not being listened to enough by policy makers." Not Afghanistan, not terrorism, not muslim radicilization, not the economic crisis, but political scientists were being ignored.

These experiences have stuck with me as I have gone up the policy-making ladder I find it easier and more useful to reach out to Brookings and CSIS, the Center for New American Policy, etc, then to my former colleagues in academia (I know many of the staff at these institutions come from academia but for whatever reason, different audience, different funding, different rewards, they produce and act much more constructively). In a hat-tip to Mr. Brezen, the FP.com blogs are far more widely read in my building than anything from APSA.

If academia knew how little policymakers read or talked about what they said, they would be shocked.

 

APARICIO

11:26 AM ET

October 21, 2009

 

MARTY

5:36 PM ET

October 26, 2009

NSF $s

You are absolutely correct, sir or madam.

I am a financial and policy analyst in local government and except for the occasional work in economics, find very little academic social science work to have any value, and much is misleading or just plain wrong. It is often either agenda driven or so head-in-the-clouds that one wonders how the author manages to get to and from the office every day, and that's teh stuff where the title suggests it may have value (as opposed to all the "critical" this and "gender" that).

No reason for the government to use tax dollars on most of it.

 

APARICIO

11:28 AM ET

October 21, 2009

is not the appropriate time frame to compare with

Hello professor,

I would guess that a decade ago is not the time frame to compare with. I mind you should check the American Political Science Review, Foreign Affairs, American Journal of International Law, from the 1920´s and 1930´s to really appreciate that those analysis were as deep, or even deeper than today´s, but were written in a reader-friendly manner, not with that pretetious scientific wannabe language of today´s articlem only addreesed to get tenure track positions.

 

SCOTT WEDMAN

3:08 PM ET

October 21, 2009

I think some of you may be

I think some of you may be missing Drezner's point. His point is that the $9 million a year that goes to political science is funding exactly that type of research that IS useful science. A great example of that is the National Election Study. This is the main data source for knowledge about the American electorate. It's the baseline from which many news organizations depart when they do some of their survey work on more current issues.

If you want the discipline of political science to exist (and to be clear, Tom Coburn does not), then funding things like the National Election Study seems like a valid enterprise.

Moreover, this is a question of relative spending. There is very little private money available for things like survey research and other work by political scientists. Private foundation money for political science, as opposed to political activism, is drying up. So it is not like if this money is cut, other people will fill in. And while $9 million is a drop in the bucket as far as the overall NSF funding goes, it is a *huge* chunk of the total research money available for political scientists in universities.

 

BEAR BRAUMOELLER

12:59 PM ET

October 22, 2009

About democracy

I kind of wonder how the democracy example would play out, actually -- specifically, democracy and peace, one of the biggest literatures in political science from the past couple of decades and a huge thread in US foreign policy in the past two administrations. I wonder why this doesn't come up more in the Coburn debate.

I mean, on the one hand it's easy for people to say, "Woodrow Wilson knew that democracies were peaceful!" Sure. But Tsar Alexander "knew" that autocratic states were peaceful, and Lenin "knew" that socialist states were peaceful, and even now there are debates and qualifications about democracies.

The point is, this is really the perfect case to look at, because it's central to both the political science literature and to American foreign policy. And I would forward three arguments about that case that debunk a lot of what's being said at present:

* The discipline of political science has not ignored the subject; far from it, it has been nearly exhausted.

* The policy debate does not (seem to? -- Dan, I'd defer to you on this, obviously) reflect the state of knowledge in the field of political science much, if at all, beyond a simple "democracy produces peace" argument. (It's fairly clear, for example, that whatever the peace dividends of democratization, they won't extend to cases of partial democratization or democratization in only one state in an undemocratic region -- both of which insights would be sobering if applied to, say, Iraq.)

* Obscurity, scientism, and jargon are not the problem; the conclusions of the vast majority of the articles written on this subject, and much of the articles themselves, are understandable to nonspecialists.

I'm actually not sure why there's a disconnect between political science and policy to the degree that there is, but I don't think it's fair for the Senator to say that political scientists study things that aren't relevant to policy. That said, I admit, it's a useful corrective to be nudged in that direction once in a while.

 

M.Z.

2:55 PM ET

October 27, 2009

My view

Dear professor,

I found it a very good article. Very sharp analysis and it was very informative. However, I don't believe that the Iranian regime will back down whenever the International community decides to implement more sanctions. We must not forget that the Iranian regime has already accepted three rounds of sanctions, which were adopted within the framework of the UN Security Council against it because of its nuclear activities.

However, I'm for stringent, comprehensive sanctions. I think that the permanent members of the UN Security Council should wake up and realize that this regime will not change its attitude. If Russia and China do not cooperate for more sanctions, then the US should together with the EU, outside the framework of the UN Security Council, adopt more sanctions against this regime.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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