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Analogical reasoning can be very dangerous in foreign affairs.  The human impulse to see patterns everywhere can lead to the use of inexact analogies -- "X is another Vietnam" or "Y is another Minuch."  This in turn leads to bad foreign policy decisions, as anyone with a passing familiarity with this book can tell you.

So one of the things I liked about Obama's speech last night was his willingness to confront some analogical reasoning head-on.  Consider this section, for example:

[T]here are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam.  They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we're better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing.  I believe this argument depends on a false reading of history.  Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action.  Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency.  And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan, and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border.  

One could quibble a bit with some elements of that paragraph -- the U.S. really did have allies contribute troops in Vietnam -- but that's a decent analysis as far as it goes.

The thing that nags at me, however, is the implicit analogy in last night's speech, and in the policy discourse that will surround this decision:  Afghanistan in late 2009 parallels Iraq in late 2006, and therefore a surge strategy now will have similar effects. 

Glenn Greenwald has already catalogued the parallels in rhetorical tropes between the two instances (and Steven Metz chronicles the actual policy parallels).  Greenwald believes this will expose the hollowness at the core of Obama's strategy, but I don't think he gets the politics of this at all.  My hunch is that the surge is perceived to have worked pretty well  -- Iraq in 2009 is in better straits than Iraq in 2006.  If policymakers are unconsciously adopting this parallel, then the strategy will sell.

The thing is, Afghanistan is very, very different from Iraq.  As tough a nut as state-building is in Iraq, it's a country with fewer ethnic and linguistic divisions, better infrastructure, a better educated citizenry, more natural endowments, and a longer history of relative "stability" than Afghanistan.  Whatever you think about the surge strategy, the odds of success in Afghanistan are lower than in Iraq. 

This doesn't mean that Obama's other policy options are better -- but I'd like to know the extent to which the administration recognizes the flaws in the surge analogy. 

 
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NWC STUDENT

3:25 PM ET

December 2, 2009

And...

At the height of the surge, there were roughly 157,000 troops in Iraq (give or take a couple thousand)...By the metrics established by FM 3-24 a ratio of 20:1000 must exist in order to effectively wage a counterinsurgency campaign. Of course, In Iraq, we weren't even close to that number...but Iraq has some unique features including the Anbar Awakening, the Sons of Iraq, Iraq is a substantially smaller country, nor does it have such a physically imposing landscape. Aghanistan has a subtantially larger populations spread out over a substantially larger area. All in addition to the things you listed above.

There are no doubt some parallels, but not enough to draw a conclusive comparison.

What needs to happen is the metric of 'victory' needs to be adjusted...

Heretical comment alert: We cannot apply a traditional Clausewitzian sense of victory here...gasp.

 

BLUE13326

8:44 PM ET

December 2, 2009

People perceive Iraq's surge

People perceive Iraq's surge as a success because Americans stopped dying.

And the fact that Iraqis stopped dying as much was a nice bonus.

They will perceive the Afghan surge as a success if the same thing occurs.

 

SIGIVALD

9:09 PM ET

December 2, 2009

Also unlike Vietnam there's

Also unlike Vietnam there's no superpower supporting the other side.

And also unlike the popular view of Vietnam, the situation was "stabilized" there ... until Congress made it clear to the North Vietnamese that the US would, in fact, let them do whatever they wanted to the South, by cutting off their funding and air support.

 

ZO

2:18 AM ET

December 3, 2009

Even if the administration

Even if the administration knew the surge analogy was flawed it still probably would have used it. Americans understand analogies. They don’t understand (and won’t sit still long enough for) a more nuanced explanation. The fact that both situations involve increasing troops means there’s enough in common to push the analogy.

Iraq is Bush’s war, and now Afghanistan is Obama’s (even PBS’s Frontline has labeled them as such). As you point out, Obama’s alternative policy options weren’t good: cut, run and let the terrorists win – or – add a few more troops in vast land that is known for consuming empires. He chose the latter, which points to how politically suicidal it would have been to choose the former.

 

JDL

5:04 PM ET

December 3, 2009

The surge in Iraq was largely a US-aimed PR effort...

And it worked! Big time, in fact.

As late as 2006, our official (the Bush Admin's that is) definition of "victory" in Iraq required that Iraq be a stable, peaceful, unified democracy. By early 2007, we essentially gave up on three of those four goals, cutting down to just "stable". This was something that a few more brigades could actually help accomplish, and they did (at least in Baghdad, where the surge actually took place).

Largely, the Iraq "surge" was just a smokescreen for lowering our war aims so as to allow us to 'declare victory and come home'.

I think President Obama's speech very clearly put us on that same course in Afghanistan - and I see no reason to think it won't succeed. Remember, this surge doesn't have to have any real long-term effects on the ground - it just has to temporarily stabilize the situation, to give the American people the appearance of victory and allow us to come home.

Cynical as that may sound, it's probably the most responsible thing the President could have chosen to do.

 

ROBERTJALBERTS

10:53 PM ET

December 3, 2009

Playing Loose with Facts

I find it troubling there is no discussion of having our men and women in uniform at war for almost 10 years straight when this is scheduled to end. When will we rest and rebuild our forces/equipment?
43 nations? I beg to differ. How many are out of garrison doing COIN/combat ops? Not 43. If 43 nations cannot control Afghanistan we needed to leave yesterday.
Afghanistan is called "The Graveyard of Empires" for a reason. Thinking our experience will be different from the former invaders is naive.
We need to ask ourselves some hard questions - 1. We destroyed Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, now we are fighting the Taliban, why? 2. What does this landlocked Central Asian wasteland mean to our future and national security? 3. How can the Taliban be stronger and opium production increased since we invaded? 4. Why is Pakistan coming apart since we invaded? 5. Do we really believe Afghanistan will ever be a democracy or free from "terrorists"? The latter will take boots on the ground for generations.
Facts need to be presented to the American people honestly and succinctly. If it is not another Vietnam, why compare them?

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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