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So, you might have heard that Google is having a spot of trouble in China -- and is threatening to pull out of the Middle Kingdom altogether. 

Both FP's Evgeny Morozov and Jack Shafer suggest that Google isn't just doing this out of the goodness of their heart -- they have to be doing it because their market share is eroding to Baidu and this is the way to deflect with dignity.  Today's stock market suggests that they might have a point. 

The thing is, a 33% share (and possibly rising) in that market is not a trivial amount of dollars.  An estimated $600 million in cabbage is not easy to walk away from.  A true cynic would have predicted that Google would have kept its mouth shut, taken its lumps, and still tried to outcompete Baidu.  Google didn't.

The New York Times's Keith Bradsher and David Barboza make a more intriguing argument -- the Chinese government is making life increasingly miserable for Western multinationals:

Google is far from alone among Western companies in its growing unhappiness with Chinese government policies, although it is highly unusual in threatening to pull out of the country entirely in protest.

Western companies contend that they face a lengthening list of obstacles to doing business in China, from “buy Chinese” government procurement policies and growing restrictions on foreign investments to widespread counterfeiting.

These barriers generally fall into two broad categories. Some relate to China’s desire to maintain control over internal dissent. Others involve its efforts to become internationally competitive in as many industries as possible.

Then there's this from the Wall Street Journal's Ian Johnson and Jason Dean:

The Google syndrome caps growing complaints by foreign businesses over a deteriorating business environment. Both the European Chamber and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in China have issued reports sharply critical of China's business environment. During the 1980s and '90s, foreign businesses were assiduously courted by China's leaders and responded by bringing to China technology, training and international best practices.

In recent years, however, foreign businesses have complained that the official line has shifted. Younger bureaucrats are more nationalistic and skeptical of the value of letting in foreign companies, [head of the European Chamber of Commerce in China Jörg ] Wuttke says. Last year, for example, foreign executives said bidding practices for wind energy were rigged to exclude foreign companies.

"There's a general attitude in the foreign business community that it's getting tougher to do business here," said James McGregor, a senior counselor at APCO Worldwide and author of a book on doing business in China. "This could be a bellwether."

Not all Western multinationals feel this way.  Still, this raises a question I find most interesting -- how much of what China is doing is intentional and how much of it is a PR cluster f**k? 

I can see it going either way.  China is definitely more powerful than it used to be, and maybe they've been drinking the Robert Fogel kool-aid.   Greater power usually leads to greater nationalist pride, so I can kinda sorta see this being a conscious strategy by Beijing to throw its weight around.

The thing is, it's a remarkably clumsy effort.  Consider James Fallows on this point:

In a strange and striking way there is an inversion of recent Chinese and U.S. roles. In the switch from George W. Bush to Barack Obama, the U.S. went from a president much of the world saw as deliberately antagonizing them to a president whose Nobel Prize reflected (perhaps desperate) gratitude at his efforts at conciliation. China, by contrast, seems to be entering its Bush-Cheney era.

China could be throwing its weight around -- or it's bureaucrats could be much less cohesive than outside observers believe. 

Developing....

UPDATE:  John Gapper and David Pilling are worth reading on these points as well. 

 
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BRETT

11:12 PM ET

January 13, 2010

RE: China

I suspect they're feeling a lot of heat over jobs - just look up the number of labor protests in China over the past year - and that's fueling more nationalistic policies. In addition, they've always engaged in cyber-espionage (Google is just the recent target of convenience), and they pushed a little far this time.

Of course, they can't piss off foreign companies too much. For all of China's development over the past three decades, most of their export businesses are still heavily tied and largely owned by foreign companies. That's not to say that most of the Chinese economy is foreign-owned (state-owned businesses and domestic businesses make up the majority), but that foreign companies should, at least in theory, be able to push back.

The thing is, a 33% share (and possibly rising) in that market is not a trivial amount of dollars. A true cynic would have predicted that Google would have kept its mouth shut, taken its lumps, and still tried to outcompete Baidu. Google didn't.

Well, there's the fact that Chinese hackers stole some of their intellectual property and tried to break into gmail accounts of dissidents. The whole thing is probably just the tip of the iceberg of issues Google is having with China.

 

RMASHATE

2:26 AM ET

January 14, 2010

Technocrats vs. Apparatchiks

Prof Drezner, I think you might find this analysis that outlines the growing tension within the CPC very interesting.

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/chinabrief/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=35847&tx_ttnews[backPid]=25&cHash=863bbd96f9

 

BLUE13326

5:46 PM ET

January 14, 2010

Part of the thinking in

Part of the thinking in regard to China is that if there was enough penetration by Western business, the Chinese would begin to respect IP laws. From everything I've heard, that has failed to materialize.

 

SID

7:13 PM ET

January 14, 2010

Firewall

China still lives with a concept of its GREAT WALL to physically protect itself from imaginary enemies, while the truth is all its neighbours look legitimately worried at China's expanding military budgets. For cyber world it has Firewall to control the FREE thinking of its citizens. Google was NAIVE to enter China to bring net freedom to Chinese. There are NO IP laws nor courts to appeal in China. Let it be a lesson for all those companies, who want a pie of Chinese cake, at bumps to it's own pride!

 

NORBOOSE

11:57 PM ET

January 14, 2010

Two Faced

I may not love China from an ethical standpoint, but a lot of the time I have to respect their clever geopolitical manuvering, e.g, investing more in Bio-WMDs than nukes, because even thought they are harder to make, theyre easier to hide and draw less heat. Or their ruthless, yet potentially lucrative policy towards the third world. Most of all, their shallow attempts to act like they are the guardians of the developing world against the big bad Euros. It is very transperant and pisses me off, but to be honest, they make it work for them.

Othertimes, like the French Protests Olympics stuff or Chinese-American naval tiffs, some mid-level bureacrat takes the stage and spews some defensive, hyper-nationalistic crap that makes China look like its still the old sick man of the East. Does this sort of post-colonialism, pseudo-rogue nation babble really help in their internal politics? What the hell, China?

 

CYRANO

5:31 AM ET

January 15, 2010

"or it's bureaucrats could be

"or it's bureaucrats could be much less cohesive than outside observers believe. "

Funny, when I first saw that China was probably behind the cyberattack on Google I thought of that as representing a lack of cohesion among its bureaucracies, based on the assumption that it wouldn't be in the national interest to drive away a big company like Google and that must've meant one sub-national actor acted to the detriment of the nation. I think analysis on this issue would benefit a lot from searching for indicators of how much the Chinese economy benefits from the presence of Google, and maybe a sense of how much they actually did have to compromise with state censorship to set up shop. Also, I wonder if there's any pattern to what MNC's find it hard to do business in China and what don't, and what that might tell us about Chinese behavior.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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