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I see I was not the only blogger to point out the Paul Krugman = neoconservative argument -- see Ryan Avent's recent posts over at Free Exchange, which also challenge Krugman on the question of whether an appreciating yuan would actually reduce macroeconomic imbalances.  It's safe to say that the neocon meme got Krugman and his supporters a wee bit snippy. 

Krugman has posted a more substantive reply, however, and Avent has responded as well.  They are debating across a number of issues:  1)  whether the Chinese government can truly control China's consumption rate; 2) whether a revaluation would in fact lead to an improvement in U.S. exports/macroeconomic imbalances; and 3)  The best way to get China to alter its status quo policies. 

On the first two questions, I find myself siding with Avent on the first point (it's going to take a looong time for China's consumption rate to increase) and with Krugman on the second point (revaluation would still make a difference).  Scott Summer, Michael Pettis, and Tom Oatley have all also posted thoughtful responses/critiques of Krugman that are worth checking out.  

I want to focus on the third question, however -- what's the best way to pressure China into altering its position?  Krugman's proposal in his op-ed was Nixon redux -- slap on a 25% import surcharge and let slip the dogs of a trade war.  It was the unilateralist (and violation-of-WTO-trade-rules) aspect of Krugman's proposal that sparked the neocon snark on my part.  In my opinion, the U.S. should not act in a unilateral manner on the currency issue when other countries are also seriously put out with China's behavior.  I'm not saying it should be off the table, either -- but it's a policy of last resort rather than first resort.  Coordinated action to isolate China -- through the G-8, G-20, and other international bodies -- seems like the next step, rather than slapping on an import surcharge. 

Krugman elaborates -- a bit -- here: 

Here’s how the initial phases of a confrontation would play out – this is actually Fred Bergsten’s scenario, and I think he’s right. First, the United States declares that China is a currency manipulator, and demands that China stop its massive intervention. If China refuses, the United States imposes a countervailing duty on Chinese exports, say 25 percent. The EU quickly follows suit, arguing that if it doesn’t, China’s surplus will be diverted to Europe. I don’t know what Japan does.

Suppose that China then digs in its heels, and refuses to budge. From the US-EU point of view, that’s OK! The problem is China’s surplus, not the value of the renminbi per se – and countervailing duties will do much of the job of eliminating that surplus, even if China refuses to move the exchange rate.

And precisely because the United States can get what it wants whatever China does, the odds are that China would soon give in.

Look, I know that many economists have a visceral dislike for this kind of confrontational policy. But you have to bear in mind that the really outlandish actor here is China: never before in history has a nation followed this drastic a mercantilist policy. And for those who counsel patience, arguing that China can eventually be brought around: the acute damage from China’s currency policy is happening now, while the world is still in a liquidity trap. Getting China to rethink that policy years from now, when (one can hope) advanced economies have returned to more or less full employment, is worth very little. (emphasis added) 

Look, Krugman is blogging here -- I'm sure that he's thought about the political economy dimension a bit more that a single post suggests.  That said, Krugman is talking exactly like the most neocon of neoconservatives was before Iraq.  He evinces complete disregard for existing multilateral structures, makes casual assumptions about how allies will line up behind the United States and adversaries will simply fold, and underappreciates the policy externalities that would take place if his idea was implemented. 

On the multilateralism point:  as Simon Lester points out, a countervailing duty applied against all of China's imports across the board because of currency manipulation would be a flagrant violation of WTO rules.  So, question to Krugman (and Bergsten):  are you prepared to jettison the WTO to alter China's behavior?  Because that's exactly the policy choice you're setting up in your proposal.

This leads to the next problem -- Krugman/Bergsten's assumptions about how other countries would react.  First of all, I'm not sure at all that China will roll over.  I agree with Krugman that China's compellence power over the United States is limited.  The thing is, America's compellence power over China is also limited. It's the larger economy and the deficit country, so it does have some leverage.  What Krugman is suggesting is a huge demand, however -- one that would have wrenching effects on China's domestic political economy.  Expectations of future conflict between the two countries are quite high, and have escalated in the past two months.  Chinese nationalism is pretty robust at the moment, and nationalists are willing to make economic sacrifices rather than suffer a perceived blow to their country's prestige.  This is not a good recipe for concessions, even if China is hurt more than the United States by a trade war. 

Because that's what would happen -- Beijing would immediately respond with its own retaliatory tariffs on U.S. imports.  They would likely harass U.S. companies with significant amounts of FDI in China.  These moves would hurt China a little, but hurt the United States more.  Like Michael Pettis, I think the chance of a full-blown trade war at this point becomes pretty high. 

Krugman's assumption that Europe would automatically follow suit without prior consultation seems awfully casual.  As the New York Times reported today, there are a lot of European companies that are not thrilled with volatility in the value of the euro -- and what Krugman is proposing is guaranteed to increase volatility.  European authorities might  prioritize bolstering the EU's reputation as an actor that doesn't violate multilateral norms over the economic issues at stake (and if you think that materialist explanations always trump arguments about political prestige, well, then, the euro should never have been created in the first place).  I'm not sure how keen the Europeans will be about the unilateral move Krugman is suggesting.  It's far from guaranteed that the EU would even be able to speak with a single voice on the issue. 

Krugman's ignorance about how Japan would react (to be fair, Japan is not the easiest read right now), and his omission to mention how the rest of the G-20 or ASEAN would respond, suggests that he really hasn't thought this all the way through.  I'd like to see some contingency planning in case the rest of the world doesn't line up the way he thinks. 

Finally, there's no discussion -- none -- about what the political and economic effects would be during the period of uncertainty and/or  if China decided they weren't going to acquiesce.  Let's keep this within the economic realm and consider the following question:  what's the effect of political uncertainty on investment behavior?  Consumption levels?  I would posit that it would increase risk-averse behavior -- particularly if this kind of trade war roiled financial markets.  Wouldn't this simply exacerbate the liquidity trap concerns that Krugman has been fretting about? 

Note that much of the last paragraph was framed in the form of questions.  I'm not sure my answers are correct -- but I'm really not sure that Krugman's assertions/assumptions are correct. 

 

GREATSCOTT

2:56 AM ET

March 18, 2010

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...

With all of this repetitive talk about what a 25% tariff on Chinese imports would do to China, and what Chinese retaliation would do to US exports/investment, and whether any of this is WTO-consistent, why is no one asking the simplest and most important question of all: what would the tariff do to US businesses and consumers? The answer: a whole lot of pain.

It's not like trade diversion or resourcing would be instant (or even guaranteed to occur), and it's not like the tariff wouldn't cause MUCH higher prices and serious supply problems even if/when such diversion/resourcing occurred (see, e.g., the disastrous results of the 35% tariff on Chinese tires pursuant to Sec. 421).

To ignore this most basic question is either disingenuous or myopic. With Krugman, it's obviously the former - he has an agenda and he's sticking to it. But what about everyone else (well, not everyone, but most people).

 

N6532L

6:29 AM ET

March 18, 2010

Do not be a free trade Chicken Little

The problems you point out are short term. The US has a trade deficit with China. That means that we would have a short term pain with a long term gain. Deficit nations win trade wars. There is nothing China can do to us that will not hurt them more than us. Long term we are capable of making everything we need. Moreover, we now have unused capacity. Another reason not to fear a trade war. From the end of the Civil War until the end of the century we overtook Great Britain with tariffs that ranged from 40-50 percent. We also had higher real wages and lower prices than the rest of the world.

Krugman suggestion is consistent with WTO. We just exercise the escape clause.

In the short term prices would go up but so would wages. The Keynesian multiplier effect of manufacturing moving back here would most likely mean boom times.

I expect that everything you know about a tariff protected economy came from a supporter of free trade. Be careful.

 

BLUE13326

12:12 PM ET

March 18, 2010

As the other commenter has

As the other commenter has responded, this would likely incentivize us to rebuild our manufacturing base, at a very good time for it.

 

GREATSCOTT

1:17 PM ET

March 18, 2010

Yes, Let's Go Back to Making Everything Ourselves!

Sorry, folks, but you're spouting nonsense.

(1) The US manufacturing sector remains the largest in the world (by value), so we have nothing to "rebuild." Sure, manufacturing employment has declined, but it's done that it just about ever industrialized nation in the world (even many with large trade surpluses like Germany). The reason is productivity and changing consumer tastes, not trade.

(2) What "long-term gain" is there to "making everything we need"? Do we really want a nation that does low-end assembly, dirty textile manufacturing, iron ore smelting, etc? The efficiency losses and increased prices would be staggering, and they'd be across the board. Wages in some sectors might artificially increase, but we'd have far fewer jobs (call this the "Detroit model"). And hey, why stop with China? Why not force every state to "make everything it needs"? New York might not be very good at making oranges, but think of all those jobs we could create by building greenhouses and making $10 oranges! But it would be ok, because the people who buy those oranges will be making $10 newspapers using good ol' New York paper and New York printing presses. (If you don't see the absurdity of the captive production argument here, you're a lost cause.)

(3) Keynesian multipliers? Are those the same ones that the White House used to "STIMULATE" our way to 9.6% unemployment? And hey, if those 1.* multipliers work so well, then shouldn't we just print unlimited money? We'd always get automatic returns on our investment! (This is nonsense.)

(4) You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about re: the WTO. There is no "escape clause" - any changes to our bound rates would require express consent from all other WTO members. Or are you advocating for the US to abandon the WTO altogether? Yes, that would do wonders for our economy. Export markets, FDI would shrivel.

(5) You need to get your tariff history right. The US became an industrial powerhouse despite, not because of, those tariffs. Unprotected industries grew faster and bigger than those with those "30-50%" tariffs. Look it up.

(6) Finally, what gives you, Paul Krugman or anyone else the right to tax my voluntary, mutually beneficial transactions? What gives you the right to impose that "short-term pain" on me and the rest of the country - especially lower income Americans who would who feel the most pain? (Trade with China overwhelmingly benefits America's poor - call this the "WalMart effect.") Where is your authority to take my money and give it to industrial barons who preside over obviously inefficient industries? Oh that's right, you have none.

 

SURESH SHETH

10:50 PM ET

March 18, 2010

political economy of pressuring China

As much as Daniel Drezner will like to have US take a coordinated approach of isolating China rather than imposing unilateral 25% import tariff duties, fact remains that China is NOT going to listen to or be pressured by any power on earth if China does not want to. The history of last eight years if not more shows that China is following mecantilist policies, amassing huge forex reserves in the process while ignoring all the US pleas to rein in on China's huge trade surpluses with US and Europe has the same problem with China.

Now China has US by its tail - US businesses are hooked to huge profits that cheap Chinese products generate for them as a walk through anf Walmart, Sears or Home Depot filled with cheap Chinese goods proves and US government is hooked to huge investments that China makes in US treasuries.

China will be sitting on forex reserves of 5 trillion dollars within five years based on the rate at which its forex reserves increased in six months from April to September, 2009 in this down economy.

China will become a lender of last resort to many a countries and many a companies in the world with that kind of foes reserves.

Nixon's embrace of China to counter Soviet Union in 1972 has come back to haunt US just as Reagan's embrace of Islamic fundamentalists to counter Soviet Union in Afghanistan came back to haunt US in the form of 9/11 attacks.

 

MSIMON

4:33 AM ET

March 21, 2010

Below Cost

China is effectively selling us stuff at below cost. It used to be called reparations. Maybe we can get them to pay us to take their stuff - increasing our profit.

I do not see what all the fuss is about.

 

HAFLAGTVEDT

2:12 AM ET

April 6, 2010

Breton Woods

We ran with Breton Woods, that staple of the Marshall Plan, exporting inflation for long past its usefulness, maximizing our currency and exporting inflation until our hands were forced to accede. I would argue that we waited overlong and the resulting shock of currency adjustment was not worth the last decade of benefits that policy created. I would have an open conversation with China about fixed or artificial currency adjustments in our past and try to convince them that a slow ratcheting up/loosening behooves them as well as us. I also believe this to be true.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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