If realists have a literary trope, it's talking about the decline and fall of great powers -- and Steve Walt does not disappoint in this post about, "the impending end of the Atlantic Era." 

He makes a good case.  The European project as we know it is in serious trouble.  The United States is in much better shape.  That said, there are weeks when we no longer seem like the center of the diplomatic universe.  Brazil and Turkey are negotiating deals with Iran, and regionalism in the Pacific Rim seems to be passing America by

Still, my take is that what's going on is a combination of two separate problems.  If either one is fixed, then I suspect that the shift in great power politics will not be terribly acute. 

The first is the decline in the "supporters" of the U.S.-led system -- Japan and Europe.  International relations theory likes to stress the importance of hegemonic states. When it comes to creating stable world orders, however, this only works when supporter states are willing to sign up (click here and here for scholarly takes on this point).  I agree with Walt that, in the near term at least, both of America's principal supporters are going to be turning inward. 

The second is whether the United States can adapt to this shift in the distribution of power, and here I'm on the fence.  There are ways in which U.S. support for the shift from the G-8 to the G-20 showed some creative adaptation to new realities.  The G-8 was overweighted towards European countries, exaggerating their influence.  In shifting from the G-8 to the G-20, EU members saw their power diluted. The United States, in contrast, maintains stronger bilateral ties with each of the other G-20 members than most do with each other.  If one thinks of the United States as the central node in a more networked governance arrangement, then one can see how the reforms made to date do not weaken American influence.

The thing is, this only holds if rising powers such as Brazil and India want to be supporters of a U.S.-led system, or if they want to posit an alternative.  This is where some of that strategic vision and adroit diplomacy that the Obama administration allegedly possesses in ample quantities would make a difference.  To date, however, that is not what I see from this administration.  To be fair, they were handed a foreign policy mess, and have done an admirable job of accelerating the clean-up that began in the Bush administration's last two years.  What they have not done -- yet -- is articulate a message that will win it new supporters in world politics. 

The National Security Strategy is due to be rolled out any week now, and this is precisely the kind of issue it needs to address.  So I'll be paying very close attention to see if the strategy document addresses this problem. 

 

GRATT

8:36 PM ET

May 17, 2010

I guess it depends on how you define America’s supporters

If you count nations like Egypt and Saudi Arabia as America’s supporters then yes our influence is waning in those areas. Personally I do not see that as a bad thing because they are more allies of convenience than true friends. The “American influence” of tomorrow will come not from pacts bought off with foreign aid and military security, but based on a group of nations which value civil rights and political expression for its citizens. Hopefully, places like Iraq will have a system more like Brazil, and Brazil will look (politically) more like Western Europe.

As for the EU I would not worry too much, as the saying goes what does not kill you only makes you stronger. The EU will come out of this better and more representative then it was before. This will let it unite all of Europe (outside of Russia) within 25-30 years. Such unions will also be created in many other parts of the world South America, parts of Africa and Asia will soon have their own supranational groups that look more like the EU than the trade unions they represent today.

Such a world will naturally have better allies to America than anything you can hope for today.

 

UMESHGEETA

3:11 AM ET

May 18, 2010

New supporters

There are more doubts whether Brazil would replace EU or Japan. It is true that Lula is in his last leg and hence in the 'legacy' mode so that we will see more Brazilian policy adventures like Iran-Turkey-Brazil deal. So in that sense, we are likely to see Brazil going away from USA maximum in next few months. But think of when Brazil gets a new president and very likely it will be all 'inward' looking at that time.

That said Brazil's commercial ties with China are for real and unless they compete head on (not that much likely); this relationship will continue to develop for next few decades regardless of rulers both in China and Brazil. Brazil and Australia are classic raw material suppliers to China (Indonesia is little bit); but Brazil has huge domestic market and bit diverse economy so it is more influential in that sense globally.

So all in all it is given that Brazil will try to be 'equi-distance' from China and West. However, that is not going to be the case with India. With every passing day, Pakistan is going to be more and more a client state of China and that in itself will ensure that India eventually will come with USA. If things go well for India, loss of EU influence can be compensated by rising influence of India while being more aligned with USA.

S. Korea is another influential country which would find it advantageous to be more aligned with USA. To certain extent that is expected to compensate Japanese loss of influence. The ultimate goal is German style unification of two Koreans to make Korea as the single most dominant power which can withstand China when Japanese 'eclipse' is complete. Today Japanese influence still indirectly works to stop the unification of Korea (apart from core opposition from China) but as Japan continues the downward spiral, S. Korea will become more assertive.

Beyond India and S. Korea, Poland is another country to watch for relations with USA specifically. There are more advantages to both Poland and USA in nurturing further current positive relations. Meanwhile Obama Administration continues to keep relations steady with Egypt and Saudi Arabia. So all in all these 5 countries (S. Korea, India, Poland, Egypt and Saudi Arabia) have potential to bring 'fresh blood and fresh energy' to USA led Western alliance. Indonesia is another promising country which may be willing for better relations with West.

Countries which are eventually going to fall away from Western influence and which will become more comfortable with China are Brazil, S. Africa, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran and Venezuela.

So given all this, the question to Obama Administration is where are they taking America's foreign interest? Prof. Drezner is quite lavish with his praise of this Administration's foreign policy. (Hello, Prof. all major posts with this Admin are gone and next term is far way in future...) I am not so sure. It is clear that the Administration can be more creative here but it has not been is the case so far.

 

AGT COYTIN

1:11 PM ET

May 18, 2010

brazil ´s and medium powers expansion

Guess the author is forgetting two or three things about the rising medium power prospects and specific limitation.
No question on the regionalist circling of the Asia pacific rim (and japan must
orbit together unless wishes be thrown to a corner).
Which of these regions and power and intrest regroupings have the two
key factors: cheap energy, diverse economy spectrum and enough SOFT power impetus to put on the scene.
Only Brazil and so an extent India because South africa has no population-& territory weight.
And brazil feels it selft entitled to South america and Africa ITS market and influence right now, not to say of the future...seemingly bright future. So it´s quite clear that will use all of its soft power, diplomacy and ENERGY
plus food resources to attain it. At the expense of whom?
The answer is obvious: UE and mainly Usa. With frictions against China in Africa, but luckily for brazil, Africa is large enough.
And when the pacific Rim is shaped out and Brazil is a stronger world player as they say, the talk will be different. Is it clear since why the hell brazil wants a free hand in nuclear research? Yes for the peaceful and, soon as required, for the not-so-peaceful purposes.
Or will the country conform to the japan style rubber stamping client?

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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