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My post earlier this week on the role of public opinion in the Big Policy Decisions of the past decade has triggered some interesting responses from the international political economy wing of the blogosphere.  See, in order, Kindred Winecoff,  Henry Farrell, Dan Nexon, Winecoff again, and then Phil Arena

Farrell's post in particular connects this contretemps with larger scholarly questions in global political economy and foreign policy decisionmaking:

International political economy scholarship tends to have an extremely stripped down, and bluntly unrealistic account of how policy is made. Typically, modelers in this field either assume that the “median voter” plays an important role in determining national preferences, or that various stylized economic interests (which they try to capture using Stolper-Samuelson, Ricardo-Viner and other approaches borrowed from economic theory) determine policy, perhaps as filtered through a very simple representation of legislative-executive relations.

However, actual work on how policy gets made suggests that this doesn’t work. On many important policy issues, the public has no preferences whatsoever. On others, it has preferences that largely maps onto partisan identifications rather than actual interests, and that reflect claims made by political elites (e.g. global warming). On others yet, the public has a set of contradictory preferences that politicians can pick and choose from. In some broad sense, public opinion does provide a brake on elite policy making – but the boundaries are both relatively loose and weakly defined. Policy elites can get away with a hell of a lot if they want to.

The result is that the relevant literature on policy making (located largely within comparative political economy and a growing debate within American politics) argues that elites play a very strong role in creating policies.

These are fair points -- indeed, Benjamin Page wrote a whole book about the ways in which foreign policy elites in the United States have pursued policies at vatiance with American public opinion. 

So, yes, policy elites matter.  However, I would issue a few qualifiers and questions to Farrell's points. 

1)  Who are we talking about when we talk about "elites"?  The word "elites" can cover an awful lot of individuals.  Many conservatives, for example, snorted at the notion of Krugman scolding elites, since there's no way one can define Krugman as anything but a member of the policy elite.  So... who is part of the elite?  Does it include powerful interest group lobbies, or only policy mandarins? 

In his blog post Farrell seems to imply the latter, which does makes the term more precise.  That said, interest groups are a pretty powerful animal, and they will not get confused by elite policy rhetoric.  Farrell lumps interest group and public opinion stories together in his blog post, and I'm not sure that's right.  When are policy elites simply doing the work of interest groups, and when are they pushing back?  I've seen examples of both, but I haven't seen a generalizable theory explaining when one dynamic trumps the other. 

2)  When does issue salience matter?  Part of the reason I pushed back against Krugman was that two of the three policy choices he stressed (tax cuts, Iraq) were very high-profile, publicly debated issues.  One would assume that public opinion would form a more powerful brake on high-profile issues than low-profile ones.  This is why I didn't push back against Krugman's financial deregulation story. 

Now, Farrell might argue that elites can still manipulate a heck of a lot even on high-profile policies.  This is probably true on some issues, but on others the public can act as an ex ante or ex post brake on policies.  TARP was a bipartisan vote, for example, and a successful policy to boot -- and yet the public backlash against it clearly constrained the Obama administration's policy options in 2009.  Despite Obama's election mandate and majorities in both houses of Congress, the administration scaled back its fiscal policy stimulus below the $1 trillion mark, partly because of fears of how the public would respond. 

3)  When will policy elites split?   The word "elite" tends to assume an undifferentiated group of privileged policymakers, and anyone who has spent time inside the Beltway knows that partisanship matters a wee bit.  When will the foreign policy community (or economic policy community) reach consensus, and when will there be significant opposition? 

Consider Operation Iraqi Freedom, for example.  A commonly-made argument (at least in blog comments) is that the public went along with the war because the Bush administration cranked up its PR machine and shaped mass public attitudes.  OK, but one of the things us political scientists know is that had the Democrats vociferously opposed the invasion of Iraq, public support for it might have dropped.  OK, but now we get to the key questuion -- why didn't Democrats oppose the war with greater vigor?  Part of it might be that a lot of Democratic liberal internationalists agreed with Republican neoconservatives taking out Saddam Hussein.  Part of it, however, is that Democrats feared looking soft on security during the 2002 midterm elections.  Because of that fear, Democratic policymaking elites were not unified -- thereby bolstering public support for the war. 

Now, in this narrative, is public opinion a cause or an effect of the debate that played out among policy elites?  A little of both, I suspect.  I raise this, however, because one of the difficulties with talking about the role of public opinion as a policy constraint (or a policy enabler) is that its role is sometimes buried beneath the more proximate causes.

This is a good blog conversation to have, because it highlights how difficult it is to develop clear and generalizable models of national policy preferences, and the ways in which the fields of international political economy and foreign policy analysis struggle to cope with this complexity. 

 

BILL HARSHAW

6:53 PM ET

May 12, 2011

What's the Alternative?

"OK, but now we get to the key question -- why didn't Democrats oppose the war with greater vigor? "

My answer: it was a one-horse race. Sec. Powell tried "smart sanctions" IIRC, but that didn't get out of the starting gate. So there was no alternative policy for anti-war Dems to bet on. The insistence on going to the UN was more a process-oriented objection than a policy one. While appealing to the UN was a popular policy 50 years ago, the UN no longer has that clout.

By contrast, opposing TARP was a policy which draws on a long history of populism.

Bottom line: the public can get involved when there's more than one policy alternative, or opposition to a policy evokes historical sentiment.

 

ZATHRAS

4:08 AM ET

May 13, 2011

I'm not sure I know how to

I'm not sure I know how to answer the titular question of this post, because I'm not sure I know what a "policy elite" is supposed to be.

Henry Kissinger, circa 1965 or even 1958, could probably have been called a member of the foreign policy elite. Several of the bloggers in this exchange have the same academic credentials he did. Would I call them part of the foreign policy elite? Kindred Winecoff ain't Henry Kissinger, let's put it that way. And he might well put it that way himself, because his commentary seems mostly directed at "elites" in the third person. He's talking about someone else.

So is Dan, and they both pretty much miss the point of Krugman's commentary. This was about "serious" people -- mostly Republicans, obviously, since Republicans held most of the highest positions in the government for most of the last decade -- who promoted policies that caused or worsened certain problems, now blaming those problems on the deficiencies of the American public. Should government officials be held accountable for their mistakes, or not? Should their advice about problems their decisions helped create or worsen be discounted, or not?

These are two of the most basic questions in a representative democracy, since if the answer is "not" we can wind up repeating the same mistakes over and over. I confess to being a little nonplussed at academics who look at these questions and think, "no, no: we shouldn't blame responsible officials for policies gone wrong, not if parts of the general public didn't rise up to stop them." I know the academics have guild interests (like the development of "...clear and generalizable models of national policy. preferences") and why these matter to people within their profession. When should these interests matter to the rest of us?

 

REALIST WRITER

10:52 PM ET

May 14, 2011

Speaking outside of the IR

Speaking outside of the IR framework here, the real problem I see is "Why WASN'T there an Iraq War?" Why did it have to take so long for the public to actually receive the Iraq War it wanted if it was still clamoring for it (its lowest level of support was only at 52%)? What's going on here?

Zarathas, it's clear the American public had conceived of some "interests" in mind when they supported removing Saddam Hussein from power (what sort of interests? I have no real idea, it could just be as simple and stupid as "Saddam is a jerk; let's waste billions of dollars"). That's why the American public...supported removing Saddam Hussein from power, especially for so long. How did elites manage to veto this proposal and postpone this war from going on in the first place, despite the fact that these elites can turn around and lecture to other people to "Listen to the People"? Saying "Oh, the public just didn't care about the Iraq War so deeply" doesn't cut it for me. If we didn't invade Iraq, then we'd likely still see majority support for a war, and we'd continue to see such public support until said war actually occur and disillusion everyone.

What is the real problem is that policymakers successfully blocked the will of the general public, and received NO PUNISHMENT for it, and even faint praise from the blogosphere. Why are we blaming policymakers for giving what the people want "good and hard", instead of blaming the more cynical policymakers that manage to push the views of the American people aside and then hypocritically portray themselves as leading a "democracy"?

 

BIJAN PARSIA

10:15 AM ET

May 17, 2011

The Autonomy of Public Opinion

You write, "Part of it, however, is that Democrats feared looking soft on security during the 2002 midterm elections. "

I think that's true, but it only works because Iraq was offered up as a security issue. If Bush had offered up some other war, or no war at all, I think it's pretty unlikely that "public opinion" would have forced Iraq back on him.

Obviously, politicians consider how various policies "will play" with voters at elections, but "will play" is filtered through the way the construct "public opinion" is wielded by other politicians.

Also, " OK, but one of the things us political scientists know is that had the Democrats vociferously opposed the invasion of Iraq, public support for it might have dropped. OK, but now we get to the key questuion -- why didn't Democrats oppose the war with greater vigor?"

The question is whether their vociferous opposition to the invasion would have dropped public support sufficiently and in the right way for them to benefit from the costs and fits with their inclinations and internal group dynamics. Consider the Republican response to ACA.

 

MARK SCALIA

2:46 PM ET

June 7, 2011

Several of the bloggers in

Several of the bloggers in this exchange have the same academic credentials he did. Would I call them part of the foreign policy elite? Kindred Winecoff ain't Henry Kissinger, let's put it that way. And he might well put it that way himself, because his commentary seems mostly directed at "elites" sázkové kancelá?e in the third person. He's talking about someone else.So is Dan, and they both pretty much miss the point of Krugman's commentary. This was about "serious" people -- mostly Republicans, obviously, since Republicans held most of the highest positions in the government for most of the last decade -- who promoted policies that caused or worsened certain problems, now blaming those problems on the deficiencies of the American public. Should government officials be held accountable for their mistakes, or not? Should their advice about problems their decisions helped create or worsen be discounted, or not?That's why the American public...supported removing Saddam Hussein from power, especially for so long. How did elites manage to sázkové kancelá?e veto this proposal and postpone this war from going on in the first place, despite the fact that these elites can turn around and lecture to other people to "Listen to the People"? Saying "Oh, the public just didn't care about the Iraq War so deeply" doesn't cut it for me. If we didn't invade Iraq.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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