Posted By Daniel W. Drezner Share

While the debtopocalypse might have been cancelled, I see that the wake for American hegemony is chugging right along.

The interwebs is drowning from variations of the argument that the process by which the debt ceiling deal was reached has dented American power. To sum them up: Sure, the United States government staved off collapse, but the galactically stupid brinkmanship over it has permanently damaged America's brand. Furthermore, the new politics of brinkmanship means that we could potentially see this kind of own-goal as a new permanent fixture of American political economy. Continued political uncertainty over something as obviously necessary as raising the debt ceiling means that actual policy problems like, say, crumbling infrastructure, education, or reassessing grand strategy is a true fool's errand. So, in other words, the USA is screwed.

See the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, David Weigel, David Rothkopf, Felix Salmon, and Joshua Keating for just a small sampling of this compelling argument.

To which I say: mmmmmmmaybe.  

I don't doubt that the U.S. brand of constitutional democracy has taken a pretty severe hit from this episode. Then again, the parliamentary system of democratic governance has long been more popular, so that's not really a new thing.

There are three factors, however, that make me wary of this kind of eulogy. First, I've come to look at concepts like "soft power" and "standing" with a bit of a jaundiced eye. Even if the U.S. takes a hit in that category, I'm not sure that loss translates anything more tangible than … a bunch of foreign-policy pundits bemoaning its loss.

Seriously, compare the last few years of the Bush administration with the first few years of the Obama administration. Any measurable metric of standing or soft power with the presidential transition. The effect on U.S. foreign policy, however, has been negligible.

Second, power is always a relative term, so the question has to be asked -- who's gaining on the United States? Joshua Keating's survey of global schadenfreude doesn't change the fact that the eurozone remains a basket case, Japan and Russia remain demographic disasters, and China has domestic political problems that make partisanship in the United States look like child's play. Even a cursory glance at military spending reveals no peer competitor to the United States. So yes, the United States will endure a rain of rhetorical horses**t for a while right up until the next crisis in which the world demands America "do something" because it's still the only superpower still standing.

Or, to put this in bond rating language -- even if US power is downgraded from AAA, who else is even above BBB+?

Third, the thing about democracy is that it has multiple ways to constrain political stupidity and ideological overreach. The first line of defense is that politicians will have an electoral incentive to act in non-crazy ways in order to get re-elected. The second line of defense is that politicians or parties who violate the non-crazy rule fail to get re-elected. So, in some ways, the true test of the American system's ability to stave off failure will be the 2012 election. Politicians from both parties have vastly overinterpreted recent electoral victories as sweeping mandates. I suspect, in 2012, many of them will be penalized for such hubris. If they aren't, well, then the conventional wisdom might have a point.

Smart investors made a ton of money this past month by betting on the full faith and credit of the United States despite the D.C. blood sport. If one could make a similar wager on American power, I'd be inclined to bet against the current market sentiment.

Am I missing anything?

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FELIXH

6:19 PM ET

August 3, 2011

I give you points one and two

I give you points one and two but I have my doubts about the third. In my view (which is - full disclosure - a European one), there is something deeply disturbing about a political environment which apparently provides members of Congress with an incentive to sign a pledge (!) not to raise taxes no matter what. It's like playing chicken and throwing the steering wheel out of the window. It seems like the growing influence of the tea party together with a two-party political system provides enough incentive (well, probably a powerful lobby plays its role, too) to renounce every notion of compromise.

So, in my opinion, your article lacks an explanation for why the positive incentives outweigh the negative ones (simply stating that recent electoral victories on a tea party platform are overrated does is not an explanation but a claim). I do not deny that positive incentives for non-craziness exist in democracies but I do not see - at least judging from your post - why they should be stronger than the powerful incentives for craziness that exist in US politics today.

 

PLAYZINTRAFFIC

3:43 AM ET

August 4, 2011

Exactly...

I also can agree with the logic behind points 1 and 2, but I think it's not so much an issue of the Tea Party's influence - after all, there's a remote possibility that 2012 and on may see them split into a radical right-wing libertarian group, with the mainstream Republican party returning to its northeastern "country-club" roots, or even beginning to dominate the center (again, if the TP should splinter, and only then if Boehner wisens up and renounces them).

What Drezner's third point reminds me most of is the argument behind financial deregulation from the late 90's through most of the aughts - the idea that, "Well, of course the big players have plenty of incentive to think of their long-term survival instead of chasing short-term profits!". It's simplistic, and assumes that actors are perfectly rational and their rewards perfectly aligned with long-term sustainability, both of which are not true in the real world. In the same way, our political system rewards short-term success while failing to ensure its own long-term sustainability, which is problematic to say the least. Drezner doesn't say anything about this, though.

 

MATT F.

5:51 PM ET

August 4, 2011

I agree

Dan could write a multi-article piece about the politicians who have, to put it nicely, "strange viewpoints" that on the surface don't seem to match up with their constitutents yet are elected to multiple terms.

 

SCOTT MONJE

6:48 PM ET

August 3, 2011

Re-electing the crazies

I hope you're right about the coming election being an incentive to act reasonably. However, to the extent that most Congressional seats have become predictably safe in general elections (owing to gerrymandering or what-have-you), the only real electoral threat to many sitting rmembers is a primary challenge by a "true believer." In such a situation, the incentive is to be ideologically rigid rather than to appeal ot the uncommitted average voter.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

6:52 PM ET

August 3, 2011

Thankyou Professor Drezner.

Thankyou Professor Drezner. This is the first article I have seen post debt deal, that rationally, and realistically takes stock of our situation. This is not the end of the American experiment, the world just kinda wishes it was.

 

FRED LIST

9:42 PM ET

August 3, 2011

Currency values: A cursory look at military spending won't do

A cursory look at defense spending won't do.

The Chinese now spend upwards of $100 billion a year on defense in nominal exchange rate terms. But if you believe the US dollar is overvalued by 3-23% as the IMF suggests I have some nice East St. Louis property to sell you.

East St. Louis, IL has a per person GDP three times higher than Shanghai. Anyone who has been to Shanghai will immediately sense that there is something very strange going on here. E. St. Louis is a hell hole - Shanghai has fantastic subways, people drive Audi's and BMW's -- some of the exterior apartments look old and grungy, but once you step inside you find fantastic refurbished 2 and 3 story apartments with all the amenities: hardwood floors, imported Italian marble kitchen table tops, new fridge, washer, dryer, etc. etc. etc. PLUS the inhabitant has very little debt and typically a thriving business, medical practice, etc etc.

Few people really understand what it means that 75% of the demand for US dollars in USD-RMB exchanges comes from Beijing's daily purchase of 1-2 billion dollars of US debt.

What would the exchange rate be if 75% of the demand for dollars were removed? It would probably lose at least 75% of its value (vs. the RMB, not necessarily vs. all currencies). It most likely would fall further as other market actors reacted. It could easily return to the 1981 exchange rate (1 USD = 1.7 RMB) or it could fall further --- 1 RMB = 2, 3, 4, 5 USD.

If 75% of the demand for a product or service vanishes, does the price really only fall 3-23%? (There's considerable intellectual slippage going on here -- IMF or Peterson look to long term equilibrium exchange rates or try to determine what changes are necessary to prevent a complete US economic collapse, which really are somewhat different from what I think the general public's interpretation of the statement: the RMB is overvalued by 25% is thinking of).

At any rate, the counterfactual world in which Beijing doesn't buy 1-2 billion dollars a day, would effectively quadruple or quintuple nominal Chinese defense spending -- making China both the world's largest economy and it's largest military spender. Only if the PRC govt. stops buying US debt will we have a sense for how large the Chinese economy is and how much it spends on defense in a way that is comparable to the USA.

People will be caught off guard because of their inability to accept that the US economy is only 1/2 to 1/3 the size of China's --- today.

If you don't believe this I have a number of nice bungalows in a beautiful wealthy bedroom community across from St. Louis I'd like to sell you.

 

AMVFP

11:04 PM ET

August 3, 2011

Who's going to be punished?

I wish I could share your trust in the good judgement (I thought of writing "rationality") of voters. My worry is that, in this case, it's precisely politicians who don't act in crazy ways will be punished at the voting booth.

On the other hand, while this episode certainly creates concerns about deadlock as a risk in the US presidential system --which seems suicidal in such critical episodes.. I wonder what's the judgement for European parliamentary systems: such systems seem not to have helped Spain, Italy or Greece from falling into fiscal chaos.

 

BLUE13326

2:15 AM ET

August 4, 2011

There's a lot of instability

There's a lot of instability right now -- we may even look back at this as a transition period. We're seeing what may be the end of the social welfare state model in Europe, simply because its unsustainability is finally becoming obvious. And any futurist writing about a hopeful US-led, Western-dominated 21st century envisioned a strong Europe at the US's side; so, as Europe (which could be seen as our client states) weakens, so do we.

In this country, we are seeing record levels of discontent with government, and as the rise of the Tea Party (the most vibrant and influential political movement of recent times) attests, this mainly hurts progressives, because a large intrustive federal government is the keystone to the progressive movement.* So, we may also be seeing the first steps of the rolling back of the progressive project (nd, to be fair, this was always unsustainable).

* the smart parts of my post were taken from a WR Mead column..........

 

ZATHRAS

3:47 AM ET

August 4, 2011

The case for self-satisfied

The case for self-satisfied complacency is always somewhat redundant, as someone truly confident in his self-satisfied complacency would not feel it necessary to make a case. Unless he had a blog, maybe.

On the other hand, there hasn't been any shortage of commentators (and government officials) reminding us that decisive action prevented the 2007-08 financial crisis from causing a second Great Depression, and that the American military is still second to none in the world despite the Iraq fiasco and the Afghan quagmire. It's all good! -- because of the magic of democracy, and the genius of the American people. And don't forget Butler and Sumner and all the dark times we've come through, the second person plural being here a term of convenience, associating us with Americans who have been dead for more than a century.

I don't mean to mock. Dan makes the important point that elected officials don't, technically, have tenure; they may eventually suffer for acting as if they did. Although, if one were paying attention, one might have observed that the whole debt ceiling circus was a product of people more acutely conscious of the elections in 2012 than they were of anything else. Maybe they will be unprepared for them. Maybe not.

My point is only that recognizing a setback to our national fortunes when one happens is a useful thing to be able to do. That doesn't mean one has to believe the Apocalypse is nigh, and in perfect fairness to our current excess of commentators on public affairs I don't think most of them do. It's no more than common sense, though, to recognize that foreign audiences have expectations of the United States built up over many years, even generations, and that we suffer when those expectations are disappointed.

They don't need to understand American financial markets, but we need them to believe that money invested here will be safe. They don't need to mimic our investment in military power, but we need them to believe America knows how to finish a war it starts. They don't need to understand our political system, but we need them to believe that it works. Through that lens, it looks as if the United States has inflicted on its standing in the world several damaging blows in recent years. The latest one has been inflicted in Washington this summer.

 

BISHOP_110011

4:59 AM ET

August 4, 2011

what's the point of this article?

Why is the central question of this article interesting? I mean...it's really super obvious that the US military is still the strongest in the world (by far), and it's economy is 3 times larger than China, as of today. So what?

Is that good enough? No. The self inflicted damage of recent events (1999 - 2011) is a trend that shows no sign of abating.

It's not just that things are worse now than 10 years ago. The crux of the matter is that there is *no rational reason* to expect the system of government America has to be any better in the foreseeable future than it has in the recent past. That needs to be fixed first.

If it's not fixed, the current status quo is irrelevant. America will cease to be the most powerful country in the world in *our* lifetimes.

 

HURRICANEWARNING

5:56 PM ET

August 4, 2011

Really??!! Who exactly will

Really??!! Who exactly will replace it? And to those other people on here who think they are so intelligent talking about a Fareed Zakariaesk 'multipolar world'; I ask you: What will that look like? Because I find it hard to believe that a true multi-polar world is possible in any stretch of the imagination. There will always be countries; larger, more stable and more powerful than others, and one in particular that will reign supreme. Is the world still multi-polar if there are many powers, but the US is still the greatest power? Im thinking long-term here, and I honestly don't think that the US can really be knocked out as a major power (barring some type of natural disaster, or nuclear conflict). A multi-polar world is non-sense. it's like talking about flying cars in the future. Yeah, could happen, but if you think about it, it's a little dangerous and impractical; not to mention unlikely. There will always be a top spot, and everyone will struggle for it. the US will own that spot for AT LEAST the next 100 years. Mark my words.

 

BISHOP_110011

11:04 PM ET

August 4, 2011

Most powerful nation for the

Most powerful nation for the next 100 years?

You're wrong. or at least, you're wrong if nothing changes. Imagine the american government acting this way for the next century. I don't see the point of this "feel good" essay. There's clearly a problem, let's fix it. We can pat ourselves on the back later.

To answer your question directly, what's wrong with the obvious suspects? China, India. Numbers (1.2 billion people) matter, if we're talking about raw power. And yes, they have a authoritarian system. So what? They had that 30 years ago, and they grew by 27.5 times in 30 years. 1989 barely slowed them down. I suppose bashing China probably goes towards "feeling good" too, but don't start believing your own press releases.

Any 5 year old kid today knows that America is the most powerful country in the world for now. Just like Rome was in 100AD. Rome eventually fell to some random barbarian warlord with a puny makeshift army, of all things.

 

KAMPER

7:03 AM ET

August 4, 2011

Democrats want to make “smoke

Democrats want to make “smoke and mirror” cuts using accounting gimmicks relating to “future” cuts, fixing government fraud, reduced interest expense and making, unspecified reforms of some kind,totally about $2.4 trillon. This is the “Smoke and Mirros” Harry Reid plan.

Boehner Republicans want to make $2+ Trillion in actual cuts which is only half of what the credit agencies require to keep our AAA rating.

Tea Party Republicans and Paul Ryan’s Budget would cut $6 Trillion over the next ten years.

It’s only the Tea Party Republicans who are trying to save our credit rating and grow the economy. And, they are the ones being demonized.

Too many Americans are addicted to big government, social programs.

America does not have the capacity to make significant cuts. Therefore, the credit rating agencies will force us to do what we lack the capacity to do ourselves.

Interest rates will go higher, our government interest expense will go exponentially higher, mortgage rates, car loans and virtually every other kind of loan will have more interest expense.

Our US debt will go higher because of the spike in interest rates. Higher interest rates will throw another wet blanket on the economy.

It will cost us much, much to borrow the money we will need in the future. We currently borrow $.40 of every dollar we spend.

We will fall back into a second, chronic recession and possibly depression in the not to distant future.

The value of the dollar will take another dive as we print more and inflation increases.

QE3 is a virtual certainty by this fall or the first part of 2012. Inflation will be at or above 10%

All because we don’t have the ability to cut our addiction to gluttonous, government spending. Just like Europe or swtor

The value of the US dollar just took another dive in the last several hours. It is not far from the lows of the economic crash in 2008.

Got Gold and Silver?

 

ZORRO

9:02 AM ET

August 4, 2011

Why Did Obama have Soft Power?

Because most of the world thought that he would change the foreign policy of George II. When he turned out to be just as bad, the disappointment was even greater.
What we are seeing right now I think is the consequence of globalization and the undervalued Chinese currency. Neither the US nor China has adapted so far, but now the necessary changes (whatever they are) will be forced upon them.
The decline to merely great power status (for the US) is by no means inevitable, but to prevent it the US voters needs to look a their long term interests. If we assume the US voters to be as informed and thoughtful as the voters in the average democracy this seems unlikely to happen.
Remember, democracy is the the least _bad_ system, not the _best_ system ;)

 

KUNINO

8:15 PM ET

August 4, 2011

I suggest Mr Drezner misses ...

... quite a lot of things in plain sight. Among them:

1. Mr Norquist, his vast pool of secret money and his magical pieces of paper. Mr N appears before political candidates seeking office and invites them to sign a sheet of paper promising him and the American people that they will never allow any tax to be increased. Once the paper is signed, he signs over a large amount of cash to help them win election and arrive in Washington pre-bribed to run all other issues they come across in government by that single oath -- but not past it. Had there been a Norquist doing this in the 1930s, the US wouldn't have been able to enter World War II after November 7, 1941.

2. Members of Congress who sign that oath seem to hold true to it. Mr Norquist continues to circulate out there, and continues to disburse large amounts of campaign cash from undisclosed benefactors. Few things are more seductive to political hopefuls than large amounts of campaign cash. Following next year's elections, we can expect more of these low-tax adherents to have seats in Congress. Of course, none will ever accept that taxes can, under any circumstances, be low.

3. The recent outburst about the national debt produced this result: the debt is to rise. Amputations are presented as economies, which they can be, but amputations never pay off debt. The outcome of the last month of brinkmanship is an effective but unspoken agreement on all sides that the national debt can never be paid out -- and probably, not really reduced all that much.

4. The outcome also silently endorses the Bush II philosophy of fiscal management: when the government's bills rise sharply because of, say, war, or, say, two wars, it's better to borrow money to pay for them than raise taxes. This must lead to greater debt, and obviously doesn't matter -- since the pay-as-you-go tax alternatives are not to the pleasure of Mr Norquist's wealthy patrons and their house money launderer.

5. The quality of understanding among tax-cutters and debt pseudo fighters is on display at the nation's airports, where the government will lose $30 million in revenue (ah, taxes) today alone; and another $30 million tomorrow; and so on, to save $16 million a year from the FAA expenditure. This ain't sense. It's ideology. It seems that most of the nation's airlines could be stealing that tax money. Or are they holding it in escrow for the government at some future time, presumably without interest?

6. The FAA fuss is Cantor, writ large. The debt negotiations moved into terrorist territory when Mr Cantor pulled out of the discussion because it didn't please him, on Norquist lines. We now see that this whole discussion about the national debt has been a preview of coming attractions. There is to be another, much the same, around about January 2013 in the closing weeks of the current administration (regardless of who wins the presidential election). As well, the tax rebels can put a sleeper hold on the federal government and the national economy in many different pressure points -- as, for example, the FAA. Who has the list of all such possibilities?

7. Why the hell is the FAA budget reliant on Congressional approval?

 

THE COLOR OF LILA

8:47 PM ET

August 4, 2011

Power to the Corporations

Daniel, you and the US govt would do well to realize that the US is NOT the only game in town and playing with fire has indeed hurt our credibility.

In answer to "even if US power is downgraded from AAA, who else is even above BBB+?" - Well - it's not a huge field, but there are still some corporations as well as more than a dozen other countries rated AAA by Moody's, S&P, and others.

As far as our two-party democratic system - this latest episode makes us look no better at governing ourselves than any number of third-rate countries with five or a dozen or more parties constantly bickering and getting nothing done. One lasting harmful effect may actually turn out to be that the people of today's autocratic regimes lose any desire to work toward a democratic government for themselves. The alternative is just an endless series of abuses, revolutions, more abuses and then another revolution. But hey, at least a dictator can make a decision.

 

ALBERTOXX

6:26 AM ET

September 1, 2011

The decline to merely great

The decline to merely great power status (for the US) is by no means inevitable, but to prevent it the US voters needs to look a their long term interests. If we assume the US voters to be as informed traveling and thoughtful as the voters in the average democracy this seems unlikely to happen.

 

MARIAPV

9:56 AM ET

September 1, 2011

My point is only that

My point is only that recognizing a setback to our national fortunes when one happens is a useful thing to be able to do. That doesn't mean one has to believe the Apocalypse is nigh maria, and in perfect fairness to our current excess of commentators on public affairs I don't think most of them do. It's no more than common sense, though, to recognize that foreign audiences have expectations of the United States built up over many years, even generations, and that we suffer when those expectations are disappointed.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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