Erik Voeten reminds us that now is the time "when undergraduates interested in a career in political science have to choose between PhD programs."  Erik offers some very useful pointers on how to choose, but there is a deeper question to ask -- is it worth it to get a Ph.D. in political science?  As one graduate student blogging at Duck of Minerva puts it: 

I'm loving graduate school; it's been on balance the best time of my life; and nevertheless there have been times when (to quote a colleague) I've wished I'd taken the blue pill and kept my job.

Or, as Steve Saideman phrases it

[A] PhD in Political Science should only be for those who are passionate and curious and do not care where they end up living.  And that they need to be aware that the job market can be pretty challenging and stressful.

Checking my blog archives, I see that I've mused on this topic before -- so, rather than repeat myself, here are some links.  If you're wondering about the virtues of getting a Ph.D. vs. a policy degree like SAIS or Fletcher, click here and here.  If you're really interested in politics and are debating between a Ph.D., a law degree, or going the apprentice route, click here

But I want to blog about a question related to something buzzing about the foreign policy blogosphere:  what if you're female?  Micah Zenko at CFR and Diana Wueger at Gunpowder & Lead have blogged about the underrepresentation of women in foreign policy positions in the government, think tanks or the academy.  Wueger asks readers to "spend 10 minutes thinking about what you can do to help your female staff or friends or Twitterbuddies to advance in their careers." 

After ten minutes, I have some positive words and some cautionary, bordeline controversial pieces of advice.  Here goes. 

My hunch is that, all else equal, the value-added of getting a Ph.D. might be greater for women than men.  Wueger blogs about a big problem:  the difficulty/trepidation that women have when seeking mentors, particularly if their field is dominated by men.  The advantage of getting a Ph.D. is that it pretty much forces the person to work hard at collecting mentors and advisors.  Furthermore, these relationships are forged through years of TAing, RAing, and pleading for dissertation advice.  So, even if women are shyer about seeking mentors/male advisors are warier about advising female students, these barriers can be broken down with time. 

That's the good news.  The bad news is two-fold.  First, Wueger argues that the assignments women get at the outset have a powerful effect on their later careers: 

There’s a gap in the types of tasks women and men are assigned early in their careers. Intentionally or not, women tend to given more administrative or support work rather than policy or research work; path dependence takes over from there. I recall a prominent scholar regularly asking his female research assistant (RA) to pick up his dry cleaning and take his car to the shop—things he didn’t ask of male RAs.

OK, for the record, my male RAs were too forgetful to request as little starch as possible this is a problem, but I suspect it's decreasing.  The more serious problem operates through a subtler channel -- women might get shunted into research areas that are seen as more female-friendly.  For example, I believe that more women study international political economy or international organizations than international security.  Even within security studies, I suspect that there are more women studying "human security" than more standard guns & bombs kind of security.  This might be due to interest, but there are path-dependent effects at work, and so successive waves of women go into those fields in greater numbers.  So, that's a thing. 

The second problem is, I suspect, even greater and trickier to discuss, but here goes.  Unlike the apprentice or professional degree paths, the Ph.D. route to a foreign policy career has a few BIG decision-making nodes that have profound effects on a person's career choice.  For the Ph.D., the first job after getting one's doctorate matters a lot, particularly if said Ph.D. is pursuing the academic career track.  The first job can define whether you want to be thought of as a researcher first, a teacher first, a policy wonk first, and so forth.  Also, it usually requires moving -- with the exception of Ph.D. granting institutions in-Boston-well-not-in-Boston-but-nearby-no-not-Tufts, universities do not hire their own. 

The thing is, most people are between 27-32 years of age when they complete their Ph.D..  This also happens to be the peak demographic of the whole getting married/having children phase of life.  And, women tend to marry men a few years older than them.  The professional difference between 50 and 53 is negligible, but those few years can make a HUGE difference in one's late twenties/early thirties.  It means that, on average and regardless of career choice, the man in the relationship is more firmly embedded down his career path. 

For newly-minted women Ph.D.s, this can impose profound constraints on career choices.  Their best job offer might be inconvenient for their spouse's career, and so they pass on it.  I saw this very dynamic play out multiple times with female colleagues when I was in graduate school.  There are a lot of good reasons to subordinate one's first job choice to family considerations, but it has a negative impact on one's long-term career trajectory.

[What about you?--ed.  As a man, the age effect was reversed.  My fiancee was younger and therefore at a more embryonic stage of her career, which meant she was more portable.  For the record, I accepted a post-doc that I otherwise wouldn't have taken for her career, but this was a minimal sacrifice.  It only delayed my first job by a year and I got a ton of writing done during those twelve  months.]

This problem is not unique to those earning doctorates.  Those with non-Ph.D. career tracks , however, have more career-decision nodes at later and earlier ages.  I suspect this problem is magnified for Ph.D.s in a way that it isn't for those who pursue more apprentice-oriented or shorter-degree tracks.  But I'd be interested in hearing differing opinions on this in the comments below. 

So, to sum up:  if you're a woman and you're trying to pursue a foreign policy career, there are some advantages by getting the Ph.D., but there are big pitfalls at the beginning and end of getting the doctorate.  I urge you to have a good sense of what you want to study before someone shapes that decision for you.  And have some good, long conversations with any potential spouse about what you want to do with your career. 

Am I missing anything?  Seriously, am I? 

 

STEVE SAIDEMAN

7:18 PM ET

March 11, 2012

Moving challenges

Very interesting post. The only thing I would add is that the big decision point problem you observe is worse, I think, for PhDs than for other folks since the job market means movement. In most other occupations, you can choose a place and then find a job (perhaps not quite as true as it used to be ....) But PhDs almost always have to move and have very little control over where they live--that is where the problems of having a partner with a more advanced (or even equally or less advanced) career kick in.

 

DANIEL W. DREZNER

7:47 PM ET

March 11, 2012

Good point

Yeah, that was an implicit assumption.  Added a sentence or two to make it explicit. 

 

MILPROF

6:53 PM ET

March 12, 2012

Are IR careers so flexible?

In general the geographic flexibility point is true, but is it so true for other paths that lead in an IR/FP direction? Outside of academia, relevant jobs in government, law, and think tanks are hugely hugely concentrated in Washington DC. NY is a distant second (not so far if you're thinking intl econ/business), plus a few far-below runners up like Boston and Chicago.

If you and your spouse don't already live in DC (or maybe NYC), you'll almost certainly have to move. If there aren't good employment prospects for your spouse in DC, you have a problem. Now being limited to DC is far less of a problem than being limited to Ames, IA or North Adams, MA, but it's still an issue. Staying competitive in those other tracks may also require you to do a couple of long-term stints abroad, too (e.g., going to the Dubai office for a year), which could also be a major spousal issue, though at least you're likely to be earning more than an academic.

 

FIRSTTIMECALLER

2:11 AM ET

March 12, 2012

Your own (incredible)

Your own (incredible) decision to include a joke about women being better at laundry is proof positive of the problem you're describing.

 

ALISON CUMMINS

10:42 AM ET

March 12, 2012

unfunny

My reaction exactly. The joke wasn't funny. By making it, you tell us that you don't actually care about the topic you're discussing; it's purely an intellectual exercise for you.

 

AG NIESZKA

3:46 PM ET

March 12, 2012

I agree

I totally agree.

 

SCHINN

12:13 PM ET

March 13, 2012

I disagree, I am a woman and

I disagree, I am a woman and I thought it quite witty and amusing. Though perhaps one would argue my naiveté being a BA IR student, and never having been subject to doing my employer's laundry. Though if you are interested in a demographic/generational bit, among my fellow students these jokes are thrown around as a laugh at the olden days, not at the skills of men and women.

 

SQUEEDLE

7:28 PM ET

March 13, 2012

I totally disagree

I'm also a woman, I've also been through graduate school.

This is the point of sarcasm, to highlight a problem. I took it this way: he did not mean it truthfully about himself but was using the joke to illustrate the silliness of the thing he'd just complained about. Note he'd pretty much just called out the previous professor for having the female RAs perform menial tasks. I also took his lighthearted comments to try to lighten up a potentially inflammatory article. He clearly expressed concern about that.

We used to joke all the time about professors having their students wash their cars and pick up dry cleaning, regardless of gender. You didn't find it funny, that's ok, your sense of humor isn't the same. But your mismatch with the author's sense of humor doesn't make him (or his statement, or the article) sexist and I don't agree on calling him out over it.

 

THINKS2MUCH

2:37 AM ET

March 12, 2012

Actually, I think the fact

Actually, I think the fact that you assume that careers are straightforward and linear is problematic. Mary Katherine Bateman wrote a book several years ago called "composing a life" in which she argued that men's careers tend to be linear, whereas women's careers are often much less so. (In other words, you're assuming that careers are linear because you're male and because yours was.)

I ended up with a decent academic career in foreign policy after detouring once to join the Foreign Service, and then again for several years to be the primary parent while my military husband was deployed -- a lot. In the interim, I did some adjuncting at various military colleges, wrote about foreign policy for a newspaper abroad, worked for a nonprofit and the like, and now in my mid-forties have a good, tenure track job and the credibility that comes from having real world experience, including knowing a lot more about the military and the government than someone who has only worked in universities might. In the long run, the detours have actually made me better at my job, not worse. Now I'm watching my grad students make similar types of tradeoffs and I'm encouraging them to think about the fact that life is long, detours happen, and that the best way to bridge the policymaker-academic divide that plagues the IR community is to have a foot in both worlds.

 

WILSO2JJ

5:16 AM ET

March 12, 2012

Life is NOT linear

Thank you THINKS2MUCH for concisely saying what I've been telling myself for a couple years now (now on the tail-end of the PhD journey). Life is rarely straightforward, perhaps more so for women for the reasons Dan stated above and its perplexing why individuals and/or institutions promote such careers. More often than not the most stimulating scholars are those that "have a foot in both worlds." This touches on a side issue within the policy-academia gap. Why do universities often discourage or shun PhDs with non-academic experience? There are many consequences of this phenomenon but I feel obliged to spin Wendt's argument, "the PhD is what individuals make of it."

 

MILPROF

7:02 PM ET

March 12, 2012

Academia is pretty linear, as is government

The problem is that academia and also government service are two of the major bastions of career linearity that are left. Fewer and fewer universities are interested in the sort of blended career you had; even at teaching oriented colleges the trend is towards an even _greater_ emphasis on faculty following very traditional path with the emphasis on academic journal publications. While there can be those like you who beat the odds, the likelihood of landing a "good tenure track job" after the career path you described is minescule (unless you've been managing to place articles in ISQ or the like while doing that adjuncting and non-profit work).

Likewise, if you're looking to make it to senior foreign policy positions (which I think was an assumption of Dan's), there are also a lot of expectations on what a typical career path looks like, and the competition is fierce enough that bouncing between tracks will let others get ahead of you.

 

THINKS2MUCH

9:28 PM ET

March 13, 2012

Actually, I DID manage to

Actually, I DID manage to publish in top tier journals while working for a nonprofit and adjuncting and so forth. A lot of people do.

Furthermore, I think you're wrong about linearity even in government jobs. I remember a foreign service officer assigned to a country with a rapidly developing economy who left for awhile to work for a private business and make some money and who later decided he didn't like it and rejoined the foreign service; I've seen two-career foreign service families where one spouse takes a leave of absence and works for a nonprofit or in an American university abroad so that they can stay together in the same country; I've seen people take turns with one taking an assignment while the other does the family thing and then reversing the roles.

It's the all or nothing approach of this whole article that's off -- the notion that there's only one on-ramp and you'd better not miss it because another one is never going to come along. As long as you publish often and in good journals, I think you can do anything you want.

 

SELOGAN

5:13 PM ET

March 12, 2012

True, kind of

The comments above but the non-linearity of life ring true for me, and are something all bright young things, male or female, should remember. They are the key, I think to the different outcomes for men and women - as the commenter above noted, women's lives are often, by definition, less linear, and that doesn't really have more to do with the PhD choice nodes than it has to do with with larger 'life' choice nodes about family - these choices will have a similar impact whatever field you are in.

I found one thing absent from your piece: what about publishing? As a non-US student, my perspective is that it is publishing in top journals which gets people jobs, particularly on the academic track. Surely if you are good enough you can get things published wherever you are? Maybe less so in the policy wonk track, but that delicious mix of academia and wonkishness is more of a US phenomenon, so I can't really comment there. Am I just naive? Obviously teaching loads make a difference, but I think all junior PhDs would have a similar problem regarding finding time to publish.

On publishing, I think the only thing which makes a difference gender wise is confidence and mentoring, and then only if we go down the somewhat tired path of suggesting that women have a harder time accessing mentors and gaining confidence. As a female PhD student this hasn't really been my experience. We might as well say that men have a harder time multitasking.

 

ADINA MARGUERITE

5:19 PM ET

March 12, 2012

My Experience

So being a 27 year old married woman with a BA and MA in International Security working for the Federal Government, I thought I might chime in with my experiences.

I chose to go forward with a BA in International Security in August 2001, finished in 3 years, during which time I started long distance dating the man who would become my husband. Next, I went straight to a MA in International Security at an institution that focused more on practical applications as opposed to theory - it also did not have an option for a PhD program. I chose this school because the curriculum allowed me to focus on topics I was interested in; terrorism and CBW, and it moved me closer to my soon to be husband. Before I graduated I managed to snag a job to pay back my student loans in a local Emergency Management office. That eventually turned to me taking a federal postion in the same field, moving to another state with my boyfriend and getting married a year later.

Am I were I thought I would be back in 2001? Well, I'm working for the government and I'm happily married but I'm certainly not working on the issues I thought I would be, at least not directly. Sometimes I wonder if I should go back for a PhD and every so often I look at the websites of various instituions. But then I wonder, is the experience I'm gaining in actually working for the government more valuable to my career in the long term than a PhD would be? While I love teaching, I'm not sure I'd love the academic lifestyle of limiting my options on where I could live, find a job, disruption to my home life, and the pressure to publish.

 

POLIGRAD

7:57 PM ET

March 12, 2012

A few things

1. Choice of title: Unless the author actually wants his audience to consider the benefits of a field dominated by men, this title is not useful. The question is not “should,” but rather, “how does being female change one’s experience?

2. Outdated: The author’s reference to his own life experience is not useful. He cannot count himself in the 27-32 demographic (apologies, but he is much older). He seems to see the world through an outdated lens. Please update (better yet, do a little “field research”).

3. Who are the senseless? You “urge” us to have “good sense” of what we will study before we are shaped by someone else. Overlooking the patronizing tone of this sentence, this same advice should be offered to men as well. In my own grad cohort, I’ve seen just as many men (or more) submit to a very different intellectual or career path than they had once envisioned. But then again, isn’t this the point of a PhD program? Change—or life—happens during a PhD program.
Give us (women) a little agency in that process (spouses, babies, or not).

 

KUNINO

8:58 PM ET

March 12, 2012

Should women be elected prime minister of Britain?

Laundry issues ain't exactly as Mr Drezner suggests them. It was doughty harry S Truman, former artillery captain in WWI, who washed his underwear while president of the United States, and that in an era when drip-dry fabrics were unknown.

 

LAURAJ05

1:29 PM ET

March 13, 2012

I'm really torn on my

I'm really torn on my reaction to this. On the one hand, most of what you say is true, and we shouldn't be disparaging or chastising someone for speaking an uncomfortable truth. And while I do think the current generation of students/graduates do have a slightly different mind frame from that which is discussed here, I think many of the prevailing attitudes remain the same. What bugs me about this, though, is that there seems to be an underlying implication that because a successful career in IR for a woman will be more difficult than a man, we should reconsider, or at least consider harder, than men. But being successful in a career isn't easy for anyone, and simply, life's not fair. And I don't think women attaining that level of education have any delusion about the challenges they are going to face by being female in a predominately male workforce. If a women decides that that is what she wants to do with her life, there should be structures in place that will assist her - or, at least, no institutional systems or norms that discourage or hinder her. That is what we need to focus on, not whether or not women should be in the field (as mentioned above, I think a different title choice would be more appropriate, because I would be floored if Prof Drezner actually believed IR was not an appropriate field of study for women, and the article doesn't imply this). What we don't really need to be told - AGAIN - is that our career choices are made more difficult because we're biologically "predisposed" to having children. We can make our own decisions on that, thank you. And if we want to take on the challenge, I don't think we should be being told to "think it through" some more.

 

SQUEEDLE

7:38 PM ET

March 13, 2012

I don't think that is the gist of the article

What I took from it was, women should consider whether it's worth it --to their career in IR-- to get a PhD based on what they want to specialize in, not whether women should bother with the career at all. I agree, the article was poorly titled. It should have been more like, "Is a PhD a good way for women to get ahead in IR?" but that's kinda long.

And the point of saying that was he thought about the best ways for women to get around the current difficulties of moving up in the field of International Relations, based on his perception of the source and nature of those difficulties.

 

KIANA IRANI

12:18 AM ET

March 14, 2012

I agree, but with only 60% of it.

I am a graduate student, female, minority and wants to study intl. security. I have always argued that women are are underrepresented in research. I don't think I ever came across a female researcher in international security who was on a reading list of syllabus. I have written a blog post about your thoughts on this issue. http://intlpopcultralaffairs.blogspot.com/2012/03/quick-post.html

 

MEGAN MACKENZIE

3:59 AM ET

March 14, 2012

the elephant/baby in the room

I liked your post Dan. The main thing that's missing is something that every female PhD student has to think about, yet few talk about openly: timing children, if you want to have them. I realise men think about this too, though I don't think they need to worry about the physical time off and breast-feeding the way that women do.
With many PhDs taking up to 5 years, and more individuals entering PhD programs after some professional experience, the timing of a PhD is generally creeping towards the twighlight of women's fertile years. Biological facts can't be ignored here- women's fertility basically starts to crash after 35. So if women want children, for those who are choosing whether a PhD adds value to their careers, this has to be a part of the decision-making process.
I'm sure most women, and men, know of fellow PhD students or early career academics who either try to time their children strategically (i.e. during the write up phase of the PhD or during the academic summer break) or panic when the planning goes awry and they face changing defence dates for due dates.
I hardly hear anyone talking about this publicly, but almost all my female friends in academia who choose children face these issues. Equality is a great idea, but not all of us have a uterus.

 

LENOREZEE

4:40 PM ET

March 15, 2012

Troubling.

My answer to Dr. Drezner's question in the headline of this post: Absolutely. I am a graduate student in international security, a lawyer (with two law degrees), a wife, and a mother of two boys -- one of whom I had 2 weeks before starting my Ph.D. program and the other one I had 2 years in. And you know what? I'm doing just fine. I have a supportive husband (who would never even think of asking the question Dr. Drezner does here), and a "good sense" of what I'm researching and what I want to do with my degree(s) when I'm done. Perhaps most importantly, I have chosen advisors who, apparently unlike Dr. Drezner, believe that women are no different than men in their abilities - professional, personal, and intellectual - to succeed in this field.

 

MAXIMB

1:50 PM ET

March 20, 2012

Her "expert" health care

Her "expert" health care almost cost her husband his re-election to the presidency. She fumbled her health care bill big time. Her foreign policy experience must have been getting drunk and imagining that she was under sniper fire. She believes she is smarter than economists who are, as she says "elite", but with a track record like this it isn't hard to see why she has fooled herself into believing all of this..

"Is rio orange war always forfait blackberry inevitable ?"
MaximB

 

JENQJ

12:25 AM ET

March 22, 2012

Confidence

Really interesting article. Thanks!

I'd add that encouraging women in academia and security studies promotes normalising the perception of confident and intelligent women. Having attended an all girl school in the UK, I saw how many girls buried the outspoken intelligent parts of their personalities, in order to create a version of themselves considered more 'feminine' and 'attractive'. It was, and is, so saddening to see these girls shy away from aspects of themselves that men are encouraged to embrace. Examples of successful, educated, and intelligent women could help to shift this perception, especially if the notion of 'femininity' is expanded.

 

Daniel W. Drezner is professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University.

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